Fitch has stand up? But yeah, he's durable, but hasnt shown too much improvement over the years. But that's probably due to his ability to get it to the matt asap, GSP aside
In the big leagues of MMA? Aoki, Shields, Hughes, Lesnar, Riddle, Sherk, any Gracie, Sanchez, Fitch, Mir, Werdum, and Guida are all good choices.
Mir? He's never had horrible stand up. Even in his "grappler" days, it was halfway decent. Now he's evolved into a very good Muay Thai kickboxer with knockout power.
Once again you out yourself on how little experience you actually have with striking/boxing fundamentals. Mir sucks at gauging distance, he throws the same jab-cross-uppercut combination EVERY time he engages, he has no head movement, his footwork is shitty and crossed up, and he stutter steps and lunges into every bit of offense he commits to. He's a sloppier Forrest Griffin and anyone who's laced up a pair and done a Thai boxing class should be able to see it. Who has Mir destroyed standing? A shopworn and Glass Jawed Minotauro who also has no concept of defense aside from blocking punches with his dome and he dropped Kongo when he faked a shot and threw an overhand while Kongo was getting ready to sprawl. Other than that, Mir has never looked halfway competent on the feet.
Explain what's great about throwing the same combination over and over. Don't believe he does that? Watch Mir/Nog and see the exact same telegraphed **** come in over and over. He literally never deviates from the same jab-cross-uppercut and only Minotauro's terrible defense and shot reflexes allowed that beatdown to occur. For more on that, watch Mir/Carwin. What's the first thing he does when he's near to range? You guessed it, lunges in with the jab-cross-uppercut right before being clinched and raped. And do you know why Werdum had any success standing with Overeem? Because Overeem wouldn't commit to ANY strikes for fear of opening up the takedown. If they had a K-1 fight where Overeem had nothing to fear but Werdum's stand-up, Fabricio would be staring into a doctor's flashlight before three minutes was up.
Ok. Since your a world renowned striking expert, give me an example of a flawless heavyweight striker
There are no flawless strikers in HW MMA but here are the better ones. Overeem- Good combinations inside, outstanding clinch work, decent kicks. Cons? Poor head movement, overrelies on the peek-a-boo defense to cover up his Glass Jaw (doesn't work as well with 4 oz'ers), and his jab and general outfighting game are crap. Velasquez- Outstanding combinations inside and out, mixes punches and kicks in combinations well, good in the clinch, and very tight punching mechanics. Cons are that his head movement sucks, jab sucks, holds his hands way too low, and he leaves his chin in the air and unguarded when he commits to attack. Could also work on improving the lateral movement and fluidity in his footwork. Suspect jaw, as well. Dos Santos- Great combinations, great footwork for a heavy, tolerable jab, but also leaves himself open as Velasquez does when engaging. He also punches a bit wide for my liking and he has no head movement to speak of. Fedor and Carwin are effective strikers due to power and, in Fedor's case, speed but they're not good. If you want me to explain how that works, I'd be glad to.
If he's not an idiotic **** like yourself it wouldn't hurt him to engage me in a constructive and intelligent debate. However, if he's as base as yourself, it probably would be best to ignore me.:hi:
Ok well he pointed out that Overeem allowed Werdum to land his strikes out of fear of the takedown. Ok, well what happens when he faces another heavyweight who can control him on the ground. Like Velasquez or Dos Santos? Or even Mir? Because if any of those 3 land the strikes that Werdum landed he is in a world of ****.
Dos Santos won't bring anything near that level of fear for the takedown because he's not a very adept wrestler and his top game doesn't appear to be that fearsome. Velasquez, on the other hand, would likely hurt him badly if he landed while coming in for a takedown but because the gap in their respective wrestling is so wide I don't even expect Velasquez to test the waters standing and nor should he. Velasquez is plenty capable of getting him down with a shot from outside at which point Overeem is still in a world of **** if he doesn't grab his signature guillotine off the rip. And Mir could easily do to Alistair what he did to Kongo because Overeem's Chin is much shittier.
Exactly, I think out of the 3 he'd have more joy with JDS who would probably be more willing to trade. I dont think anyone was banking on how concerned Reem would be to let his strikes go to the point of being almost gunshy
