Worst stoppages of all time?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by la-califa, Sep 3, 2008.


  1. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,292
    53
    Jun 12, 2007
    What were some of the worst stoppages of all time? From Cuts or Referee or even from the ring Doctor? Where a fighter appeared as if he could have easily continued.
     
  2. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

    4,255
    14
    Feb 4, 2007
    This is tricky.

    For example, you could argue that Corrales could have continued against Floyd. Yes, he was getting beat, but he could have fought on.

    I didn't have the doc's perspective, but I thought Rahman could have continued against Toney. But then again, I have no idea how bad his vision really was.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

    37,077
    3,725
    Sep 14, 2005
    how bout muniz vs napoles? heard that was pretty bad, dont really understand what happened
     
  4. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,292
    53
    Jun 12, 2007
    The first Weaver-Dokes fight was pretty bad. Weaver was still moving and trying to avoid punches. And the Referee jumped in!
     
  5. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,466
    83
    Apr 10, 2006
    Mike Dokes Vs Weaver 1st Will usually get a Mention, as will Chavez Vs Taylor

    I remember when Carlos Monzon fought Denny Moyer, Carlos was on Top, Having knocked Moyer down, But the Ref stopped the fight, (5th Round) with moyer in the act hitting Back as i Recall, Suffice it to say The Ring magazine headlined its report "Roman Scandle"
     
  6. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,466
    83
    Apr 10, 2006
    Oh Yes, I seem to recall some controvercy when Chavez fought Terence Alli
    Chavez had landed some punches, but it looked like the Ref was going to break them, Even give a standing eight count, But Chavez quickly Whirled away and was mobbed in the Ring in celebration by his Corner and Fans
    - The Ref did not get the chance to render his formal decision before any celebrations began.
     
  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

    28,518
    81
    Sep 3, 2007
    Its hard to say of all time but I`ll stick with recent - Calzaghe/Manfredo should never have been stopped.

    Calzaghe was outclassing him & barring a miracle, there was only going to be one winner but that ref was an utter disgrace & should never be allowed anywhere near another world title fight again as he obviously doesnt know the true meaning of the word. Manfredo deserved his chance to come back as he wasnt badly hurt & might have turned it around.
     
  8. tylerrcurtis

    tylerrcurtis Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,533
    2
    Aug 15, 2008
    JCC/Taylor worst stoppage ever nothing even comes close
     
  9. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,815
    23
    Mar 28, 2008
    Dokes and weaver is probably the worst I've seen, Chavez-Taylor the most controversial, (although for years I stayed out of that argument, thinking that both sides had their points, watching the post fight interview between Merchant and Taylor where Taylor claims that Richard Steele never gave him a count or asked him if he could continue makes me lean just slightly towards saying that maybe Steele was right and Taylor was in la-la land).

    Aside from that, I can think of plenty that were stopped too early, (Razor Ruddock was on the wrong side of a couple of those), but not one that I would put down as being one of the worst stoppages in history.

    Yeah, that was a weird ending, both Chavez celebrating too early and the ref not being decisive enough in the call. Still, I don't have a real problem with it: Chavez pasted Alli for rounds 1-4, took almost all of round 5 off until he sent Alli staggering into the ropes in the last 30 seconds and then kncoked him down right away to start round 6.

    The only thing that makes me wonder if the fight might have gone any differently is knowing that Chavez hurt his right hand somewhere in the 3rd or 4th round. (There are parts in the fourth where you can see Chavez throwing about 8 left hooks in a row, and later when he finally throws a hard right to Alli's head he shakes it afterward, plus I read about rumors of a brawl between Chavez and Norris after the fight which noted that Chavez had his hand in a cast). I'd also guess that's why Chavez celebrated so quickly: he was trying to bomb Alli out at the end of the 5th/start of the 6th so he could get his hand looked at and when he thought the ref was stopping it he wanted to get the **** out of the ring already.

    And if we're adding in the fight being stopped in a manner that was just disgraceful otherwise and simply looked bad, Ali-Liston II.
     
  10. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,815
    23
    Mar 28, 2008
    Oh, and as a small aside, does anyone else have a serious problem with some of the non-stoppages by Arthur Mercante Jr? I've seen more guys potentially badly hurt in fights he was reffing where he didn't step in quickly enough, and him counting to 10 over guys who were obviously unconscious than any other ref I can think of offhand.

    Maybe he's gotten better in recent years, but memories like him counting over Dokes in the Ruddock-Dokes fight when Dokes was clearly unconscious on his feet before going down and then fell face first onto the canvas and never moved, or letting Whitaker pound Hurtado with Hurtado slipping between the ring ropes until Hurtado nearly fell out of the ring makes him synonmous with bad ref in my mind.
     
  11. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,370
    45
    Nov 27, 2007
    Agree with you here. Calzaghe's offence was shoeshine overload and Manfredo didn't look to be in any serious trouble. Still baffles me how more modern refs don't pay attention to the action resulting in poor stoppages.

    The other fight I'd have to say was Tyson vs Ruddock I. Razor had a very good round 6 from what I remember and certainly gained Tyson's respect of his punches. Steele stopped this fight too early even when Ruddock was protecting himself against the ropes and far from being KO'd.
     
  12. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,545
    98
    Jan 10, 2006
    Joey Curtis .. You were made Immortal that night........

    Dokes v Weaver...

    Read the Book "The black lights.."

    Curtis all but admits that he was approached to fix the fight...

    Weaver was asked if he was ok, he replied ..Yes, The referee allowed it to continue a bit longer and all that i saw was gloves land on gloves, then Curtis stepped in and raised Dokes' hand.. Weaver just accepted the loss..

    It was all very shady.......
     
  13. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,261
    1,053
    Sep 10, 2005
    Napoles was cut up bad and Muniz was all over him when the fight was brought to a halt.

    The result was declared a Technical Draw, and that a headbutt was responsible for the brunt of the damage.

    Muniz has gone onto say that Suliman explained to him, post-fight, that Napoles was a friend of his and he was protecting his interests, but that involved robbing Muniz of that much sought after feeling of being champ.

    Napoles came back to out box and floor Muniz, but the first fight was one of the best examples of manipulation you'll ever see in boxing.
     
  14. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,292
    53
    Jun 12, 2007
    The decision on the rematch was even worse! Weaver won that fight & somehow Dokes got the decision. Horrible!
     
  15. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

    4,768
    26
    Sep 18, 2007
    Dokes-Weaver I, but Dokes was Don King's boy, so we know how that was going to play out.