Would 1998 Roy Jones defeat 1974 Muhammad Ali?

Roy wouldn’t have beaten Ali, but don’t be ignorant.

Roy’s skills were off the charts.

You don’t think that technique and timing with perfect accuracy and leverage constitutes as skills?

Yes, his style was built around his incredible athleticism. But he still had outrageous skills. Look at the Paz knockout. Yes, Paz shouldn’t have been in the ring, but walking forward and throwing a 6 punch combination with pin point accuracy was an example of incredible skills.

 

You’re having different discussions with different people.

I’m not interested in Ali vs Fury.

Look, I’m probably Roy’s biggest fan on this forum. But he wouldn’t have beaten Ali from 1974.

Ali wasn’t washed then.

You’ve not even said that Roy would have been 200 pounds in 1998.

It’s just a bad match up for Roy.

We know that Roy wouldn’t have fought him aggressively.

It’s only logical to assume that.

They’d have gone feint for feint, but in a slow paced fight. Which would have meant that Ali wouldn’t have emptied his tank, and he’d have been fresh for a prolonged period.

It’s got an Ali U/D written all over it, unless he’d have put his foot on the peddle.

 

Ali breaks Roy down, cutting him up, knocking him down at least once, and wins a UD.
Afterwards, Ali tells Roy:

"You got any excuses tonight, Roy?"

 

They’re 4 completely different fighters.

If you had a time machine and Ali was able to beat Fury, that wouldn’t in any way provide you with evidence that Roy would have beaten Ali.

It’s silly logic.

You’re not just looking at size.

You’re looking at they’re styles, how they’d have meshed, and their realistic game plans for the fights based upon what we know about them.

Ali would have had a good chance of beating Fury.

Roy would have had no chance of beating Ali.

 

That was pure hand speed, Roy`s fundamentals weren`t that good.

 

He was a lot quicker than Fury and fought on the inside well in his rematch v Frazier, Ali had a better punch than Fury, he was just better all around.

 

The same Ali that beat Foreman? **** no

 

Why do you keep asking me about this fight?

I’ve never mentioned it.

Yes, I think Ali would have had a very difficult time with Fury. But I also think that he’d have had a realistic chance of winning.

Yet I wouldn’t have given Roy any realistic chance at all of beating Ali from 1974.

 

It wasn’t pure hand speed.

Hand speed is how fast you throw your hands.

Your technique, shot selection, timing, accuracy and leverage etc, is all based upon your level of skill.

 

Ali is levels slicker than Cunningham, has a better chin than Cunningham, faster hands, faster feet, a better jab, better counterpunching abilities and probably hits a lot harder based on Cunninghams pathetic KO ratio at cruiserweight. And Cunningham was what ? 36 ? Maybe if Fury totally dominated blown up cruiserweight Cunningham then you'd have a point but the reality is Fury was actually getting outboxed before the stoppage and against Ali he's likely not going to get the knockout.

And im lmao at using a early 60s green Ali, im not even asking you to use a prime Ali because this is a thread about 74 Ali but really ? LOL. How about when Jones got murdered by Tarver ?

This truly doesn't even have to be a size issue, more like a resume one, who has Roy beaten at heavyweight that makes you think he beats Ali ? Genuine question. Also i just peeped that you're using the LHW RJJ, not even the heavyweight version. That makes your argument even stupider

Roy Jones Jr has nothing to beat Ali with, at most he blitzes Ali a few times early, besides that Ali beats him. Also do you comprehend the concept of diminishing returns ? Because based on this thread you don't.

 

lol! Ali had more power than Fury does and Foreman, Shavers and Liston had more power too.