Would 1998 Roy Jones defeat 1974 Muhammad Ali?

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LHW Roy Jones Jr vs Kinhasa Ali (12 rounds)

  1. Roy Jones Jr by Knockout

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  2. Muhammad Ali by Knockout

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  3. Roy Jones Jr by Decision

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  4. Muhammad Ali by Decision

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  1. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    Then why do we have weightclasses? And why does size disparity become irrelevant above the magical figure of 200 lbs?
    Should I trust labels or physical measurements?
     
  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ali would have fought Fury in an offensive manner.

    SRL wouldn’t have fought Kovalev in an offensive manner.

    Ali could take Fury’s power.

    SRL wouldn’t have been able to have taken Kovalev’s power.

    Fury wouldn’t have been too big and strong for Ali.

    Kovalev would have been too big and strong for Leonard.
     
  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe, but I think you're wrong.

    Roy doesn't survive till the final bell.

    Not even against the 1974 Ali.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I am asking you to look at other things as well as size. I’m asking you to look at their styles and their punch resistance and power etc.

    You can’t seriously believe that Mike Tyson vs Nikolai Valuev would be like a WW vs a LHW-CW.
     
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  6. mark ant

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    lol! Ali had more power than Fury does, Fury does not punch with his whole weight.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    If you weigh more than 200lbs you can knock anyone out, Ali was a big man, Leonard was not, Leonard went up to around 168 and knocked out a fighter Kovalev size, Kov was a known punch at his weight while Fury isn`t, Ali would have knocked Willard and Buddy Baer out and Baer hit harder than Fury does. Carnera was a lot heavier than Ali too but couldn`t punch as hard as him and would have been stopped pretty quickly by Ali, look what Louis did to B.Baer and Carnera.
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Diminishing returns. I've already explained this. Weight matters less the higher you go up in weight classes although it still matters to an extent at heavyweight. That is why Usyk beats 2 guys who were about 30 pounds heavier than him. Thats why Holmes beat Gerry Cooney. Thats why Povetkin KO'd multiple 240-260lb guys despite being 6'2 and usually weighing in the 220s. Yet Povetkin who was 229lb struggled with Marco Huck who was exactly 20 pounds lighter than him. A 20 pound difference at heavyweight doesn't matter as much as it would between guys 4 weight classes down. A size difference like that in the lower weights would ususally be absolutely massive. Thats putting Haney against Castano or Taylor against GGG. That would be insane, yet weight differences like that have been overcome at heavyweight multiple times. Because over 200 pounds, if you're good enough you're big enough.

    And styles make fights. Fury himself admitted Cunningham was his toughest fight because of his small size and his slickness, lol he even got dropped. If that is the case then he is going to have nightmares against prime Ali.
     
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  9. mark ant

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    Plus Povetkin stopped Whyte with one shot, Fury has never stopped a fighter with one shot, his right hand is sloppy and doesn`t land clean hence the controversy about his glove, Ali`s punch technique was far sharper and crisp.
     
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