Would a heavyweight with skills and boxing style of Guillermo Rigondeaux. Thoughts?

if he had more dedication than most of today's overweight heavies, then he'd give the Klitschko's a run for their money

 

Heavyweights have a huge differentiation in style. They throw less for obvious reason, and are slower for obvious reasons and use their skill set differently.

 

He would be the greatest fighter in the history of the world...

 

Rigo's skills are off the chart! The heavies have nothing that would even come close, including the reigning titlist. Everyone knows that there is a huge gap in skill between the lighter fighters and the HW and CWs.

 

A fighter with a style adjusted to the heavyweights but just as skilled as Rigo would dominate the heavyweight division if they were 5'10 and 200lbs. Boxing ability will always overrule size and the most talented heavyweight out there, Wlad, is nowhere near as skilled as a fighter like Rigondeaux is. He's too basic and predictable, with too many flaws. Rigo is a sublime boxer.

 

Not as basic as you think. I will go through this with you as many times as I have to, until you see sense.

Rigo is a beautiful Boxer, one of the best in the world, and better than Wlad, I agree. To dismiss the Ukranian as basic is just silly.

 

With heavyweights being a supreme boxer doesn't always cut it.
Of couse being a hell of a boxer gives you quite the edge, but in the top division power and chin are the most valuable attributes.

In the 90's there was a kid who they hyped as being the next Ali, he boxed as fast paced and in simular style and even had some decent pop.
Only after about 17 fights he was already KO'd twice because the one thing he was missing from Ali was the incredible chin.... they just walked him down.

Now if you're as good/fast as Rigo and still be a heavy (wich is almost physically impossible for obvious reasons), you might make it all the way. But it isn't a given.

 

Basic isn't an insult, it's just the facts of the matter and something Steward has always wanted to achieve with Wlad. When Wlad was much younger, he had far more dimensions that he currently has and was an excellent attacking boxer, with variation and unpredictability, but he's since lost that style of fighting in favour of a more cautious, predictable style because it protects his chin better than the Joe Louis-esque Wlad we saw fight Mercer and others around that period.

Wlad is a basic fighter though. There aren't many nuances with Wlad. He has a great jab, he maintains the distance well, he's cautious, he is accurate with his shots and so on, but it's all very basic. He isn't a hard boxer to figure out but he's good at what he does, which makes it hard to beat him.

And I don't think you've ever mentioned Wlad to me before.

 

Imagine rigos left to the liver but as a heavy oh man that would **** somebodies insides up lol

 

This is the thing with heavyweights. Wlad, the most skilled, is incapable of throwing body punches. Can you imagine how threatening it'd be if he dipped down a bit and threw in a wide right hook to the body? Even when he has an opponent on the ropes doing **** all, like Rahman, it's just jab, jab, jab, right hand, jab, right hand...there is no diversity in his attack. Now imagine what Marciano, Tyson, Louis, Frazier, Foreman, Dempsey etc., would do in that scenario. The guy sat on the ropes would be peppered by uppercuts, hooks to the head, straight shots, hooks to the liver, jabs to the body etc..

Wlad is good but is robotic, simplistic and basic.

 

i agree one hundd pcent bur easier to hit an without a decent chin like the guys u mentioned then ull be knocked out. Which is what would happen to wlad if he did this. When people say he fights scared they dont mean he runs away. He just sorta fights like a *****, like an old hopkins carlos molina, even amir khan from time to time. What i mean by fight like a *****, before i get hit with all kinds of insults aayin im a stupid american, i mean he grabs taking any inside game away so he wont get hit he doesnt take any risks at all. Even with guys that are levels lower than him. He should have stopped haye the way haye faught. Haye wasnt goin to throw a punch unless he absolutely knew he was gonna land. They both looked scared in there lol. Imagine what tyson would have done against that haye. Pribably woulda knock him out cold then bit his ****in toe off

 

Yeah, I agree. Tyson would have walked through Haye and stopped him in a round or two. No contest, I don't think, and I like Haye.

I made this point in another thread. I have never, ever seen a boxer faced a list of opponents with as little desire or determination like Wlad has faced. The last opponent he fought who really tried hard to win, and showed courage and determination was Peter in 2005. Every opponent since then has been there to lie down for him or certainly not put up a fight. That's a remarkable statistic. Every other fighter in boxing, from Pacquiao, Mayweather, Cotto, Martinez, Ward, Froch, Donaire, Dawson and so on, has faced guys who may not be as good but put their life on the line to win. That's one thing which is so disappointing about the heavyweight division these days; nobody is there to try to win, they're just happy with their paycheck. I'd say Vitali is the same as Wlad but he faced Arreola recently, who clearly wanted to win and would have gone through hell to do so. I can't say the same about any other heavyweight challenger, and that is depressing to think about.

 

would they have to have the same management and have made the same business decisions? then they wouldnt be much of a factor considering he never fights....