Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mark ant, Dec 4, 2018.
The Douglas against Tyson, yes. He looked quite good for parts against Tucker, but folded quite easily from memory. Against Holy he looked horrible. He was inconsistent, in short. I'm not at all sure that Douglas was better overall than Ortiz.
Was the Douglas that faced Tucker better than the Ortiz that faced Wilder? Younger and more athletic, certainly. But he folded quite easily from memory whereas Ortiz come back from an early KD to take over the fight before he was knocked unconscious.
There was a reason that Douglas wasn't very highly rated before Tyson, even though he'd put together a string of victories since the Tucker fight. He was clearly talented, but inconsistent. Against Tyson he put everything together for one night and looked fantsatsic, but I don't think he was nearly as impressive when facing Tucker.
Because of the points above I'm not sure I agree with you.
Oh, yes, But that trick is lethal.
the obvious hole in this argument is that Pv Ortiz, Fury and Joshua all lack a big win too, and moreover, have barely a single prime world level win between them.
Its obvious TNT is above them with the exception of Joshua, probably.
Granted, Douglas was inconsistent but, despite this, he did beat better competition than Ortiz ever has. And, his performance against Tucker was quite solid (as was his performance against Page, the year prior), up until he got caught and drifted out of the 10th round.
Wilder was a significant step up for Ortiz and, to my mind, his age and conditioning showed. He just wasn't able, at this point, to push the envelope. Ortiz is a good technician and tough, as well, but he was worn out early, in my opinion, and hadn't really got going, to start with. Fair play to him for having Wilder in a little bit of trouble in one of the mid-rounds, but it was piecemeal and a mere blip on the way to the inevitable.
The difference in the quality level of the boxing, comparing each of the respective bouts, is clear to see. Douglas (Tucker) was better than Ortiz and there's nothing to really demonstrate the case otherwise, as far as I have seen. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Likewise. Because of the points I have made above and from the outset - particularly, the age of Ortiz; his lack of conditioning; the fact he had previously propped himself up with Nandrolone; the lack of anyone on his resume; his pretty much pedestrian performance against Wilder - I can't consider him better than Douglas was and so I can't agree with you.
Indeed. But, it can be diffused and/or absorbed by the right type of opponent. Fury is one such opponent.
Unfortunately, for Wilder, his trick is more or less the only trick in his tool bag.
Tyson is simply too small. He might have a chance against Wilder but Fury would do what he did against Klitschko and Joshua has the size, power and speed to knock out Tyson.
Tyson is really small in height, 5'9 according to many. So don't compare him to 6'2 inch fighters like Povetkin.
Mark let's keep biceps out of it as that has nothing to do with anything boxing related. To answer your question though I would take him confidently over anyone today.
Tyson outboxed Tucker who was 6'5 and Mike would have beaten Povetkin without getting hit as much as AJ did, Mike`s defense was far better than Wiler`s and AJ`s and he wouldn`t have been caught how Fury was caught by Wilder.
Any fighter over 200 lbs have the ability to hurt and ko any fighter over 250 but with less skill . It was just showcased with Wilders knock downs of Fury. If prime M. Tyson dropped Fury that fight would be over . M.Tyson knew how to set up, cut the ring off, and finish the fight, he wouldn't have just followed Fury around like a puppy on a lease, waiting for the opportunity like Wilder did, M.Tyson would've CREATED the opportunity with consistent and intelligent pressure using the right counters,tattooed Fury's biggest target his body, break him down systematically stops Fury in less than 8rds.
With Wilder it is not his weight that is responsible for his power, it is the length of his long arms which generates the power along with the speed he throws his punches. If Wilder was 6ft and weighed 215lbs he wouldn’t hit as hard.