I guess this is mainly semantics - of course you have to train MMA but most ppl would agree its better to have a great base in something than be ok at everything...
I think there is a difference with playing to your strengths and not being well rounded. Anderson Silva did catch Lutter in a triangle after all. He subbed Hendo. His body triangle is extremely difficult to deal with. Anderson Silva is well-rounded because his striking compliments his grappling much like GSP.
Glad I saw this before I posted, saved me the trouble. Exactly what I was gonna say. @Polymath. I never said Cro Cop was well rounded, but he has learned something other than just kicking peoples heads off. Without his takedown defense he would have lost to a lot of the fighters he faced. While this isn't well roundedness, it isn't being one-dimensional. Just somewhere in the middle. I suppose I was grasping at straws with the others. Yes it is key, I think, to have a strong base in something, BUT if you don't branch out and cross train you're gonna get left behind at some point.
Quick, somebody call the Olympic committee, tell them the worlds oldest sport has been a fraud for all these thousands of years; the entire contest can simply be stopped and turned into a stalemate if only wrestlers would bend there knees! Congradulations sir, you have just discovered the secret to perfect defensive wrestling, the gold medals await. Tyson's boxing would have been spectacular for MMA, the bobbing and weaving into a kick thing is a little exagerated I think, you never really see a guy get caught while slipping to the side with a headkick. Randy did it for 5 rounds against Sylvia, who nearly decapitated Tra Telligman, so we know he at least has a head kick in his arsenal. The problem is obviously that he would still have a large portion of the game to learn, well over half.
As proven by TKD's long history of success in MMA; truely the dominate art in the sport. Well yes, I imagine he did use those boxing skills to win 3rd in the Russian National Judo competition and countless Sambo and Combat Sambo national and world championships.
As proven by TKD's long history of success in MMA; truely the dominate art in the sport. Well yes, I imagine he did use those boxing skills to win 3rd in the Russian National Judo competition and countless Sambo and Combat Sambo national and world championships; and of course that perfectly executed Rear Naked Choke taught in boxing gyms around the world that he finished Sylvia with.
I've found that to be true. Although I've noticed that the guys who are just "Okay" at everything can win with a good gameplan. Forrest Griffin is a good example.
True, I didn't even think about that. But Chuck Liddell Mainly punched, I really only saw him throw kicks in his Vitor fight. But if he trained in some Muay Thai also he could become good at checking kicks, but there have been lots of fighters who win just using hands. You are right though.
It's not ridiculous. Boxers will often have versatile footwork but their technique is often lacking. Numerous boxers don't bend their knees or fight grounded. They are straight legged and bouncing all over the place. I never said wrestlers, I said MMA. I said they bend their knees to protect from take downs or to go in for the take down. Bent knees is a pivotal part of good footwork and loads of boxers fail to do it.
I agree.......but lets get secific.....in what way would his stance have to change? I posted a few clips early in the thread to show his standup style etc
Im unsure if he was a better fighter standing up, your assuming a Prime Tyson lets cro cop just kick him without a response.....but coming forward and smothering the leg attack or wresting him to the ground are high possibilties.
The main thing about this thread is not weather Tyson would have won as it pointless debate ( we will never know) but more about the technical apsects of his standup and how it suits fighting fighter who will use a varied form of attack and defence as oppose to just boxing. It is obvious that if any boxer in his prime were to fight in MMA he would need to learn wrestling, BBJ, etc
That's the thing, he had none of those attributes. If he learned them, he wouldn't simply be Mike Tyson the boxer. As a pure boxer, he'd be taken down and either subbed or pounded out by any decent MMA fighter as long as they didn't get careless.
Im not bothered by your assumptions.......only the very elite in MMA would have a chance or beat Tyson that goes witout saying. The real major point is not weather Tyson would do well but weather techincal points of his style in regards to standup would still be affective. i.e slip the strike that comes in and punch quickly back.
if a young tyson lands flush it would be over fast..my concern is the kicks and on the ground then it would be over for mike..