Would a prime Peter Jackson beat Jeffries?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Prime for prime ,not the faded hulk that Johnson toyed with , and not the alcoholic sick remnant that Jeffries put away.Jackson a man with Corbetts skills but bigger and harder hitting . Jeffries the Iron Man,218 of bone and muscle ,who would prevail ?
     
  2. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what a silly question! prime peter jackson beats every white fighter who ever lived, even with a baseball bat in their hands.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm sorry to do it to you buddy, but I need a ruleset to make a pick.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Fair enough 25 rds,with Tom Siler as referee.1900's attitude to scoring.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Over 25...i'm going to go for Jeffries to out-monster Jackson down the straight.
     
  6. janitor

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    It is imposible to say given the uncertainties surronding Jackson.

    What I will say is that prime Peter Jackson would have been the best oponent Jeffries shared a ring with except perhaps Jack Johnson. A Jeffries win is by no means a given.
     
  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime Peter Jackson may have been good enough to beat Jeffries or anyone else. I dont think it is quite true to say that he was a bigger version of corbett. It should not be forgotten that they did fight to a draw and while i know jackson may have had some excuses, it is obvious that Corbett and he were very close and similar in ability. I get the opinion that Corbett was more elusive and Jackson hit a fair bit harder. It also should not be forgotten that prime Jackson was not as invincible as many think. The Goddard fight in particular seems to have been a huge struggle with Goddard causing damage and knocking Jackson down, something noone ever did to a prime Jeffries. If i were to guess at a result over 20 rounds, i would think that Jeffries would win a close points decision. I also think that if they fought 5 times, Jeffries would score at least one knock out, but i also think that Jackson would score at least one and maybe two points decisions. Still, Peter Jackson was definitely an all time great and Jim Corbett should have definitely defended his title against him first up, imo.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Not likely. Jackson had his hands full with Joe Goddard, who was something of a poor man's Jeffries.

    Jackson was not like Corbett in style. Corbett was quicker, and harder to hit. Jackson style was that of a skilled boxer puncher.The speed, skills and a solid punch were there, but boxer-punchers in general don't have great defense because they focus on offense. As far as I can tell Jackson didn't have an top level chin.
     
  9. Lobotomy

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    I believe that if a prime version of Jeffries was facing Jackson on that barge in San Francisco, instead of Corbett, that the Prince would have eventually succumbed in a fight to the finish.

    Jackson is widely reported to have collapsed after those 61 rounds were contested (having entered that affair with a cold), and this despite the fact that his gloves had left the same imprints on Gentleman Jim's torso that Corbett's had left on his head. (My suspicion is that Corbett would have been judged the winner after 61 rounds, as the head is a more challenging target than the body to hit.)

    Corbett was a fitness fanatic who was immensely proud of his discipline and conditioning. But when he was training for Fitzsimmons with Jeff as a sparring mate and exercise partner, the Boilermaker continually frustrated the reigning champion with his athletic superiority. No matter how fast Corbett sprinted down the railroad tracks during stops, Jeff ran faster. No matter how long a run Corbett undertook, Jeffries outlasted him. Everything Corbett could do, Jeff could do better, except box.

    Given a 15 to 25 round distance, Peter Jackson outboxes Jeffries cleanly, just as a past prime Corbett did over 20. But if we are looking at a peak for peak fight to the finish between a healthy Jackson (no head cold or other illness) and a healthy Jeffries (not hindered by an impaired left as he was for the Sharkey rematch), then Jackson would be the one to collapse first in such a contest of endurance rather than
    skill. Anyhow, that's my take on it.

    As I've repeatedly stated, I favor the 15 round limit, because skill and effort become decisive factors in establishing who the superior gladiator proves to be. If the 15 round distance had been implemented for Willard/Johnson, then Lil' Artha' would not have dropped the title to a lesser adversary.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Corbett was also 20 to 30 lbs lighter I never suggested that Jackson fought like Corbett ,I said he had skills on a par,he was heavier and hit harder fought prime Corbett on level terms,so I think he has a reasonable chance here.Jackson was stopped once in his early years when about 22 and when a shell of his former self,not a chin of china.Goddard was an in and outer but he did ko Choynsky twice and also Maher.
     
  11. mcvey

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    This fight is over 25 rds as both men fought that distance,I thought it would be equally fair.
     
  12. Lobotomy

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    I'll tentatively go with Peter Jackson by 25 round UD then.
     
  13. janitor

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    Here I disagree.

    A past prime and injured Jackson fought Corbett to a draw and Corbett was the harder pressed of the two fighters throughout.

    Jackson had an injured ankle which restricted his mobility and perhaps his ability to throw punches. A healthy Jackson might just have dismantled Corbett.

    I think it is possible that Jackson was a level above Corbett and perhaps even on the same level as Jeffries.
     
  14. mcvey

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    There are some that might consider prime Corbett a better man than Jeffries.I think it is entirely possible that Jackson would have beaten the older Sullivan as convincingly as Corbett ,and maybe not by exhaustion but by clean ko.Jeffries beat everyone he faced and apart from Johnson,I reallly don't thionk there was anyone out there with a realistic chance against him that he didnt meet,his resume would have been more impressive if his best victories were over younger Champs,but that is the nature of the game.Perhaps wins over Martin and Childs instead of Finnegan and Munroe would have cemented Jeffries claims to greatness,but he was fighting experienced top notchers at an early stage in his career.
     
  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Wow. My thoughts exactly. I don't even think this fight would be that close.