Would a prime, undefeated cooney have stopped the Liston of Miami?

Pathetic. As typical of Rich.....complete gibberish.

 

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Yeah Perry, where do they say "gibberish" at, huh?!

 

Liston would wreck him.

 

Cooney took out Norton with a barrage of lefts and rights but it was the left that really put Norton in trouble. It was a beautiful short left hook inside, when Cooney was against the ropes, that hurt Norton. Cooney hooked off the uppercut.

The right hands that Cooney hit Norton the cleanest with came when Norton was already half conscious on the ropes after getting bombed with left hands

 

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So in your analysis, a 40 year old Norton is a good gauge? Do you think for a nanosecond a 64 Liston has problems with that version of Norton? Lots of hitters are going to take out an old Norton when they are the young guy.


Speaking of Kenny---when was his last good form anyway, going into the fight with Cooney? The Ledoux fight? You know anyone picking Scott in that one? The Cobb fight? It certainly wasn't against Shavers--a guy that had been trying to get a Norton bout for years. Perhaps it was the Randy Stephens fight. That's a lot of water under the bridge & quite a few years.

That's the fly in the ointment using those Cooney fights to gauge anything. Lyle was coming off a quickie ko defeat at the hands of Lynn Ball, of all people. When's the last time you heard Lynn Ball mentioned?

What we needed to see was a brutal ko of a Mike Dokes. Or a Tim Witherspoon. Page. Snipes. Coetzee. Even a Berbick would have been nice. Contemporaries with tools, not the guys with a million miles on the odometer.

Instead it's old names. Me, I'm pretty much convinced the only other considerations the Cooney management would have taken are/were matches against other suspects; 81 version off Leon Spinks would have made another nice ko victim. Eddie Mustapha Muhammad moving up from lh maybe. Perhaps a fight with a Mercado or an out of retirement Duane Bobick.

More guys where the highlight reel ko's would have happened since they'd have cooperated with playing into Gerry's strengths.

 

ANY version of Liston, even one dead 12 years in 1982, KOs the bum Cooney in 1 round. How in the world has this fighter who was afraid to fight contenders when he was a fighter and had zero chin or heart all of a sudden a mankiller now. What next, could the Cooney of 1982 Holmes fight have beaten the Frazier who was taking radiation treatments for cancer in 2010? Give it up. The cooney you guys wanted never existed.

 

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there is no way the 1980-81 EMM gets hit by Cooney. One Eddie right hand wobbles Cooney and the second knocks him out.

 

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Yes! Cooney refused to fight anyone. The only reason he fought Spinks is he thought he had an easy win over a light heavyweight who couldn't take his punch. And then years later with Foreman, he found another quick and he thought easy road to the top without earning it. A slow, fat fighter. He was wrong. In all my years watching boxing (50 since about age 7) Cooney remains to this day the greatest, most cowardly heretofore I've ever seen. And beyond that, he was slow, telegraphed everything and was weak jawed and heartless. You image of him is wrong. Any contender with a punch could beat the guys he beat

 

Cherry picker not heretofor

 

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