Would Ali and Frazier have been too good for Fury and Joshua?

I too think that boxing in general circa the 70's is different to the present day.

Not in so much different to individual boxers from either era, but the boxing eras themselves.

I think there was a "different" inbuilt indoctrine in fighters back then at all levels.

I'm not saying 70's fighters were "naturally" better than current fighters or vice-versa. What I think is the 70's fighters generally seemed to give just that little "bit" more in both effort and mental attitude. This then, probably resulted in any given fighter reaching their full potential or as near full potential as they could possibly be, maybe even to their possible detriment.

Again I say this as a general boxing era/attutude difference and not individual fighters .
Do I have any bias between eras? - probably.

 

Mark, you know better.
Many, if not most of Ali's KOs were TKOs vs. what would be CWs or very small HWs today. Ali himself admitted he wasn't a huge puncher.
Ali (pre ban) was dropped (LtHW+ Cooper) and staggered (small CW D Jones). That was the "untouchable" 60s Ali. The 70s Ali increasingly started fighting in spurts until he adopted the rope a dope tactic. He'd get mauled using those tactics vs big, modern HWs. Ali went life and death 3X vs. small HW Frazier losing once, life and death 3X vs. smallish (by today's standards) and chinny Norton, losing once but really twice.

 

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Yeah, but he in 60 ies was amazingly agile for his size and was not damaged.
Yeah, he had been dropped but not concussed or damaged for long term. This does matters a lot more than was he dropped or wasn't.

Ali from 70 ies ofc was too much out of prime. Yeah, due to his toughness level he managed to win a lot of fights, also was King protected too a bit.

Ali from 60 ies still is seriously undervalued and Ali from 70 ies was thing who didn't had chance vs top CW lads from last decade, sorry, but this is reality. Hard to admit for Ali fans.

 

Modern top light heavies would give him a run for his money. Old timers are seriously overrated.

 

Patitally I really agree that they are overrated in comparision with modern fighters, especially if bearing in mind their size.
Ali from 60 ies still had good legwork and reflexes for modern top 175 lbers level.
I do not compare with Ali from 70 ies, this version didn't had anything to offer for his own version from 60 ies.

 

Those fights were when he had Parkinsons and thyroid problems.

 

I am viewing this thread with a smile on my face.The reason is people out there seriously think Fury And Joshua are any where near the level of Frazier and Ali.In twenty years time you will look back and recognize the stupidity of your views

 

Anthony Yarde would push Frazier to the limit. He was very crude and had a low skill level. Like anyone before the late 80's and early 90's when it comes to heavyweights.

 

Lesser crude than Ali form 70 ies, just a bit too small for HW.

No.
Frazier was too large for him and Yarde will go destroyed by like like Bolotņiks despite his blue blood superior fanbase british business origin..
Frazier form 70 ies will beatup also buterelo hometown cash cow and 37 y.o Kovalev, not alone Yarde.

 

It is posts like this that makes me laugh

 

I said he will push him to the limit, not beat him. Bolotniks would actually beat Frazier. By the way, are you Latvian?

 

It is old timers with rose tinted glasses like you that make me to remind myself to be objective.

 

No.