Would Ali and Frazier have been too good for Fury and Joshua?

Maybe but we'll have to see him fight Usyk to confirm this. Fury is slick but his hitbox is 3 times larger than Savon and he isnt as mobile. Usyk would probably be the closest to Savon

 

Exactly my thoughts

 

Yes AJ has so much trouble with shorter fighters that’s why he has convincingly beat every shorter fighter he’s fought. Frazier’s weakness is getting outmuscled, I’m positive AJ and Fury have the size and strength to pull it off.

 

Aj doesn’t need excessive movement to beat Frazier he’ll just use his aggression, superior size, speed, reach, height, strength, power, and blasts Frazier out early. Sorry but your not gonna convince me that Frazier has any chance vs AJ

 

Agression is what got him killed against Ruiz. As small as Frazier is at 205lb. Hes an excellent counter puncher and has WAY better head movement than Joshua or Ruiz. Aj doesn't fight like Foreman. Hypothetically if Aj and Frazier fought. Aj would be getting backed up because Frazier is the better inside fighter. Joshua isn't Riddick Bowe (who i believe would destroy Frazier). He fights his opponents at mid range not on the inside. Frazier would be applying pressure nonstop. Joshua is way stronger but he was also stronger than Povetkin who himself gave Joshua a hard time. Joshua doesn't try to overpower his opponents unless he has them hurt.

I think Joshua beats Frazier but he would not run through him. Holyfield was also a small guy in his prime. 205-210 and i think we all agree he'd beat Joshua. And again im not a classic boxing fanboy blinded by nostalgia. Trust me some people in the classic forum **** me off. I just look at things objectively

 

That doesnät tell much. AJ is british hype.

 

He may be "hyped" to some degree but he's not just hype...

He's currently very much top 2/3. Takes more than hype to get there.

Whether he stays there is another matter.

 

A hype as you call him who is the champion, a very rich champion, and has majority of the title belts, oh i wish i was such a hype.
AJ has defended titles more than Dempsey, Marciano and Johnson ever did, so were these hype jobs too?
AJ indeed has his failings, but too date he has overcome these, albeit needing a rematch on one occasion.

 

Well, Ali in 1960 ies was approx 215 lbs and moved like he was 175 lbs.
In 1960 ies he didn't had absorbed damages and looked the same in 1960 th and the same in 1966 th.

I don't think that he was stronger than Ali.
Frazier had very good gas tank and was very productive with his hooks and half hooks, also had both hands to use for this.
Exactly cos this reason he managed to land on Ali damn a lot punches.
Each fight vs Frazier looks that had impacted Ali at least a bit permanently.
Shavers too had impacted him a lot.
Then Foreman, looks that Foreman landed on him low number of punches if compare with Frazier.

Most likely because otherwise he was not capable to stand and ate bombs in long rows in 70 ies.