Would Ali etc. ever be regarded as the GOAT nowadays with the protect your zero at all costs mindset

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  1. lynx_land

    lynx_land New Member banned Full Member

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    It seems these days a fighter is done after losing once or twice.

    I really think from this point onwards sadly nobody who has ever had a loss will be seen in the same league as Ali Foreman Lewis etc.

    It's crazy to think Ali lost a lot more than once. Look at how Joshua and Wilder were dis regarded after facing just one loss. Imagine what people would say if Wilder had lost 7 times.
     
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  2. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Wilder has been disregarded because it was the first fight he wasn't heavily favoured to win and he took a hiding. For a lot of boxing fans it confirmed their suspicions. Ali had a number of very good wins before losing a competitive fight to Frazier after a several year absence.

    Joshua fought much better guys than Wilder did much earlier but his hypetrain was derailed by getting bounced off the canvas by an out of shape pudding who then got even more out of shape for the rematch in which Joshua refused to engage with him. It was a smart performance but hardly a heroic showing. This was not Lewis beating the **** out of Rahman to show him who the man really was.
     
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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Modern demand from clients looks are undefeated stars. Pro boxing is not like mma, where more matters who you had fought.
    There are adapded matchups to develop prospects. From first fights with total walking bags till sometimes even matchups like #14 vs #154 for 10 or even 12 rounders.
    Prospect is more interesting if he does have record like 20-0-0, 20KOs. Matchmaking might help to achieve this.
     
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  4. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    he had been expected easily to deal with Ortiz but he had problems. Then with supposedly rusty Fury did not managed to win, 2 nd fight he was even worse, Fury pretty opposite, looked that had seriously improved.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Like Michael ''The Bounty'' Hunter he's that rare breed of American fighter who fought everyone and all over the world too. I see a lot of Brit Level Brit Grit in Ali and I think that's a direct result of him sharing a ring with so many Brit Level warriors like Cooper, Bugner, Dunn and London. I think he would have done exactly the same if he was around in this era too because even though he had enormous respect for Brit Level, and rightly so, it's not something he feared which is actually very rare for non-British fighters.
     
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  6. Jimmy Elders

    Jimmy Elders Ha ha bye bye intentional cuck banned Full Member

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    I don’t like ali but that man would have fought anyone
     
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  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Probably not this is what made past fighters great the willingness to fight the best
     
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  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Wlad Klitschko has terrible losses and is considered an ATG by many.
     
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  9. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    Most likely not, his opponents would price themselves out and make him wait out his prime.
     
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  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I dont see Ali as the goat.

    He's not even the best HW. For me joe louis is better than him. Let alone the goat.

    Your question makes no sense to me.
     
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