Would Andre Ward win a single round against Calzaghe ?

I remember Bika bashing Calzaghe around..

 

Dawson? Kovalev? Can you imagine Calzaghe taking those fights? The guy who moved up to light heavy to get dropped by the shells of Hopkins and Jones? Calzaghe stayed at home winning close fights against bums until the Lacy win gave him confidence. Imagine Calzaghe taking part in a super six as he’s coming up lol
Don’t compare these guys, Calzaghe isn’t on that level.

 

Man, remember when Robin Reid gave Calzaghe all those problems?
I really don’t think it would be competitive
Prime Ward with a clear win, whether on points or inside schedule

 

When I’ve watched a Calzaghe fight I’m always left thinking all it’s lacking is a handbag thrown around and pulling of hair… I’ve seen less ***** slapping in an episode of Jerry Springer

 

You mean prime, 30 year old Zags before he destroyed his hands and was still kayoing people?
Zags

 

Dawson moved up from SMW after Calzaghe beat Lacy. Dawson was on the undercard at SMW with a lesser WBO title and decided to move up after to face many older fighters and after Calzaghe was retired went back to SMW.
Ward didn't face Dawson at SMW
At that time Dawson had lost to Pascal


Calzaghe faced Eubank who was far more accomplished than Kovalev, and let's not forget that arguably Kovalevs biggest win was beating a fighter Calzaghe beat years previously

 

That was Calzaghe when he had major hand problems, couldn't train properly and had disruptions like glass in his food
Still clear win against a highly rated opponent

 

Oh, are we just going to ignore that when Calzaghe was at light heavy he fought the shell of Roy Jones instead of the champ Dawson who called him out? So now you want to pretend that Dawson ducked Calzaghe and not the other way round?
Calzaghe had lost to Robin Reid.
Kovalev is the wrong comparison, compare Kessler to Eubank. People mostly picked Kessler over Ward. Kessler still had a lot more left when he fought Ward than Eubank did when he fought Calzaghe.

Why are you trying to distort reality? Some of us were around for these fights, you can’t BS me.

 

Calzaghe W SD. A very tough, cagey fight. Ward is more accurate, while Calzaghe is more active. Calzaghe wins due to his work-rate being greater. Similar to the Hopkins fight. However, like I always say regarding fights with Ward or Hopkins - it'll be an UGLY fight for sure...

 

Calzaghe had hand problems his whole career, that’s one of the downsides of slapping instead of punching. Still he was handed a fair few British ref stoppages with his death by a million slaps. Many thought Reid beat him and it was a split decision so why are you saying it was a clear win? Calzaghe was also too chicken to ever give him a rematch.
There’s a reason why Calzaghe dominating Jeff Lacy was a surprise at the time. Remember when Byron Mitchell dropped Calzaghe and got into a slap fight with him, with the ref stopping it in the second round just as Mitchell landed a heavy right on Calzaghe? Calzaghe was seen as Sven Ottke 2.0 at the time. He beats Lacy, beats Kessler (the only impressive win of his career), then gets the balls to fight the shells of Hopkins (and arguably loses) and Roy Jones?

Calzaghe might be the most overrated fighter of the last 50 years.

 

You have to agree - if Hopkins didn’t beat him it was very close and Calzaghe had the edge with his activity on the inside, while Hopkins dominated him with clean punches and timing from range.
Ward has timing from range, and unlike Hopkins he can fight on the inside and rough Calzaghe up.

I honestly think it’s a very easy fight for Ward, he is the perfect style to give Calzaghe fits and beat him at all ranges. The question here should be ‘Does Calzaghe win a round against Ward?’
And I’d have to think long and hard about that. Before considering the stylistic disadvantage, we also have to consider Calzaghe’s overall inferiority as a fighter and his poor record in general. I’m not even sure Calzaghe beats Froch if I’m being honest.

 

You were making some fairly decent points - in spite of your obvious dislike of JC - but Zaggers is all wrong for Froch; even Froch himself said he'd need a KO - and Joe had a great beard, so good luck with that.

 

I liked watching Calzaghe, he had his own gimmick and exercised it well.

IMO Ward would determine to step on one of his feet and pour on the body shots and accidental low blows. When the ref was looking down at Calzaghe's swollen feet, Ward would accidentally throw elbows and head butt.

Just joking... sort of.

The truth is that Ward figured out how to hurt and beat people, whatever he had to use along the way.

In an actual fight I think it could be a close decision either way.

Yes, Ward would win some rounds.

 

Are you forgetting that Calzaghe was the champ when he beat Jones?
Are you also forgetting that Calzaghe didn't fight again or that Dawson had looked fortunate to some against an even older than Calzaghe, G Johnson

Your point is null and void as Calzaghe retired after he fought Jones

Now if you don't want to ignore something, go back to before Joe retired, when he was facing Lacy and Dawson was on the undercard defending a SMW WBO owned title and decided to move up right after to a different weight division where he fought much older fighters

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.
http://www.talkboxing.co.uk/guides/b..._calzaghe.html
Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury

Tell me one inaccuracy I have posted here?

Wait for it.
This reply will be good

 

You claim to know so much and feel you need to post your opinion, yet know so little that it does make me wonder if you are even aware of any facts

I will try and keep this shorter

Yes I agree he did slap. He had terrible hand problems

Yes, I think there were some early stoppages in his career, but don't ever think he was saved by one of them. Not sure what this has to do with anything but don't disagree as I am sure you probably feel Ward used elbows and head us which is not supposed to be allowed

For the record Reid was offered a rematch