Would Andre Ward win a single round against Calzaghe ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MarkusFlorez99, Jul 13, 2022.


Who wins ?

Poll closed Apr 11, 2025.
  1. Calzaghe decision

    60.0%
  2. Calzaghe KO/TKO

    4.2%
  3. Draw

    1.1%
  4. Ward decision

    31.6%
  5. Ward KO/TKO

    3.2%
  1. Diddy

    Diddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don’t insult my intelligence. Domestic fighters stay fighting domestic for a reason. Sure he beat some solid fighters. But people were clamoring him to come to the states for years while Jones and Toney were still prime and while Hopkins was still in his mid to late 30s. He never did. He stayed across the pond.
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You have failed to answer and as suspected shown that you don't really have much knowledge on the subject.
    You have even once again instead of answering, changed the argument and tried debating that instead

    Only around half of Calzaghes title fights were in his home country
    Was Ward a domestic fighter in your opinion?

    Toney was a CW before Calzaghe won his first SMW title, so that wasn't an option
    Hopkins decided against fighting Calzaghe in America years previously and ended up fighting I believe Hakkar instead for less

    So tell me, exactly which SMWs was he supposed to travel to America to face?
    Hopkins decided against facing Calzaghe so tell me which SMWs?
     
  3. Diddy

    Diddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We can settle this once and for all. Who wins if Joe fights even semi-prime Roy Jones? We don’t even need it to be 1996 Roy Jones. Let’s say 1999 Roy Jones, or even 2001. Who wins?

    The question is rhetorical of course. Everyone knows who wins. Prime Roy was arguably the greatest fighter of all time.
     
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  4. Diddy

    Diddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jones was the draw. Joe had to come here to face him. Like it or not the US is the Mecca of boxing on the grandest scale and you gotta come here to fight the best. Which he didn’t do. He waited until Roy was a literal corpse and Hopkins was no longer at his apex.
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    We can only guess

    What we do know is that past best, bloated, end of career Calzaghe did beat Jones


    BTW
    I notice once again you couldn't answer and then changed subject again
     
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  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hopkins
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    Jones was at HW around this time and I believe Hopkins decided to fight Hakkar instead for less
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Roy or Roid?

    The later is the one who wasn't being tested for steroids at all throughout the first 11 years of his career and ever so strangely as soon as he was he popped dirty

    Calzaghe was a clean fighter, Roid was clearly jacked silly on steroids all throughout his prime

    Unbelievable how there are still idiots who can't seem to get their head around the FACT that Calzaghe not only called out B-Hop religiously in the press and post-fight interviews for years but he even got his promoter to arrange a meeting between them and Team B-Hop. And not only did he agree on the spot to fight him but his promoter offered B-Hop a career high payday and Joe agreed to B-Hop's stipulation that it should be in the US ie. he agreed to fight B-Hop in his country. This is all well known so it's a rather strange people keep pushing these ridiculous narratives.

    Numerous offers where made to B-Hop to fight Joe and at one of the pre-fight press conferences a British reporter mentioned to B-Hop that numerous offers had been made and then she asked him why he finally decided to accept it now. B-Hop side steeped the question.

    Calzaghe calls out B-Hop for years, gets his promoter to arrange a meeting with Team B-Hop, agrees on the spot to fight him in the USA, and when B-Hop turns down a career high payday to fight Joe in the USA apparently Joe is the one who ducked B-Hop. You can't make this up :facepalm:
     
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  8. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you a Lourdon alt?
    All the people you state had already moved up in weight other than Hopkins who clearly didn't want that smoke and was offered the fight.
     
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  9. Loudon

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    It’s Loudon, not Lourdon.

    I see that the Calzaghe Police have been having fun again.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can name them for you.

    Branko Sobot
    Tocker Pudwill
    Evans Ashira
    Kabary Salem
    Mger Mkrtchyan
    Miguel Angel Jimenez
    Will McIntrye
    Rick Thornberry
    Peter Manfredo
    Sakio Bika = Was a virtual unknown at the time
    Juan Carlos Gimenez = What did he do to deserve a title shot ? lost 10 round decision to a nobody, then beat the amazing Miguel Javier Lopez who was 3-13, Paul Jones 3-4, and was also 38 years old at the time. The only thing i remember about Gimenez was losing 1 sided decision to Benn and Eubank years before.

    I mean that's really a high quality list of elite fighters right there right ?

    And Joe Calzaghe's best wins all coming off losses

    Charles Brewer = Coming off losing to Antwun Echols by TKO in round 3
    Robin Reid = Coming off an abysmal performance losing to 40+ Thulani Malinga
    Richie Woodhall = Coming off a loss to Markus Beyer in which he was floored 3 times by light hitting Beyer i might add
    Byron Mitchell = Coming off losing to Sven Ottke

    And a few other things

    Chris Eubank = Had 11 days to make Super Middleweight limit was a late replacement.
    Mario Veit = Why rematch a guy you already KO'ed in 1 round ?

    Overall Joe Calzaghe was a very talented fighter but alot of his title defences were lackluster, he picked it up towards the end with wins over Lacy, Kessler, and moving up to beat Hopkins. But i feel like he could of moved up sooner and had bigger fights, Calzaghe often stated he had trouble making Super Middleweight limit, so moving up wouldn't of been a problem.
     
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  11. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My apologies for the spelling...
    I'm not the police for anybody. I do however pull people up if they are logically inconsistent or demonstrating blatant bias.
     
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Look at Dynamicpuncher’s last post.

    100% legit.

    Yet if I’d have written that, I’m somehow an irrational hater like Herol.
     
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  13. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thankfully nobody is like Herol......
    I can't disagree with Dynamicpuncher's post as it's not factually incorrect. however we can do that with the vast majority of fighters and resumes when we pick them apart.
    As I mentioned above it's applying that critique equally and fairly and not just applying it to a fighter you don't like. So dynamic isn't then elevating someone else at the same time so it is a little different tbf.
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I owe you a big thank you.

    Over the last few nights, I’ve been reading a truly great thread.

    One of the funniest I’ve read for a while:

    ‘Globe heads, where’s the curve?’

    Ha!

    Brilliant.
     
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  15. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I should really know better than to engage with shadow.......
    It's like debating a 3 yr old with brain damage...