Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

All have pretty empirical evidence in the form of having much more impressive KOs and showings of power in the ring.

Wow, Williams and Liston were at the top of the power list in a HW era where Usyk-sized Muhammad Ali dwarfed everyone. Super impressive. I changed my mind, Williams definitely must be punching harder than the 6'6 280 lbs Zhang that bounced Joyce around like a basketball.

 

Why not? They are both 180-190lbs guys famous for there punchers? - Canelo is the size of Patterson he’d probably beat Johansson, Daniel Jacob’s and Kovalev were all 190lbers and he did alright - Ingo fights at 168-175lbs today and gets beaten by guys like GGG lol.

 

Ok, in the unlikely scenario of Johansson fighting at 168-175 lbs would those guys cripple Johansson the way Floyd did ? Do you genuinely think that Canelo,for instance,would
really have the natural strength and power of Ingo.The answer is a resounding NO !

 

You seem to forget that the Williams-sized Poverkin took care of David Price and Dillian Whyte in a rather
brutal fashion.Who's to say that Williams couldn't do the same to some of todays jumbos ? By the way,surely
you remember how the 1970s sized Usyk would have sparked the biggest of them all,Tyson Fury, if the ref hadn't given butted in and stopped Usyk from flattening the so-called Gypsy King ? ( Just thought I'd mention that ).

 

Good job changing the topic, we are arguing power here, not overall fighting prowess, but if you are really curious Povetkin had more boxing skill in his pinky than Williams had in his whole body.

As for Usyk, he fought with the most fragile version of Fury who got his chin absolutely shattered to pieces from Wilder. Plus it wasn't his power that got to Fury, it was his precision and pressure.

 

Actually yeah he wouldn’t have the “natural” strength of a chubby Swedish meatball he’d have the strength of a PED induced full time athlete who lifts regularly. Why would Jacob’s and Canelo cripple Ingo? Neither are punchers… I’d bet on someone like Kovalev, Artur or GGG to KO him doe - Lol Ingo could lose enough fat to fit into 175lbs he was a porker.

 

Paper Cleveland Williams is in all sorts of conversations the real fighter just wasn't.

 

It does put the "heavyweights today lack skills" narrative into interesting perspective to compare the old timers to guys actually closer to their size -- LHWs and cruisers. Would Machen be the slickest fighter today from 175 to 200? Hm.

 

Hang on,you're all over the place with this one.We were talking about SMWs and now you're talking about LHWs.
Make up your mind ! So would you take Beterbiev or Kovalev to knock out Johansson the same way that Patterson did ?
Are you sure about that ? I'm certainly not .
GGG ? LOL ! NO just no.

 

I’d take those guys to KO Ingo probably, I’m not sure why you’re falling behind here. There are LHW’s and SMW as big and bigger then Patterson yes - GGG, Artur, Canelo etc all fall into, above that spot or thereabouts. GGG is a hard headed puncher at and around 175lbs why not? - Ingo in shape is probably about 175lbs too.

 

Put down that bottle of hyperbole ! Usyk is an excellent technician but to say he has yet 'more boxing skill in his little pinky than Williams had in whole body ' is yet another example of exaggeration from you.
So Tyson Fury had his chin shattered from Wilder ? Hmm.....that is one massive piece of speculation.
Why have'nt you commented on Povetkin's kos of Price and Whyte ? Perhaps that doesn't suit your narrative.

 

You do have a curious view of the 60s and 70s heavyweights.Ingo was in ' shape '. We're not talking about Andy Riuz here.
'Chubby Swedish meatball ' is a ridiculous description of Johansson's physique.Back in those days men like Patterson and Johansson trained for 15 rounds.Given these requisites for world-championship fights it would be astonishing if these guys were not in supreme physical condition.

 

He has useless weight on him his far away from a washboard he could lose 20lbs easy LOL you obviously don’t understand dieting or basic body composition, you get be in shape and hold wasted weight, Ruiz is not out of shape sometimes but he is a ball of fat.

 

I wouldn't pick Wilder over Jimmy Braddock.

 

Would you favour him over some of the 25 guys who beat Braddock?