Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

Oh do tell me what modern LHWs/ cruisers/ HWs have physiques that would put Ingo to shame.
So while condemning Ingo for being ' chubby ' you give the obese Ruiz credit for not being out of shape !
What nonsense !!

 

Wilder never learned how to fight.

 

I don’t think you’re understanding… that or you’re purposefully being “that way” let’s make it simple… Canelo, Jacobs, Artur and GGG are all around (either bigger or smaller but by small margins) the size of Patterson - I’d pick those guys to beat Ingo, I think if Ingo is in-shape actively trying to lose fat he could weigh 175-80lbs he is overweight looking and far from as lean as any of those guys... I don’t think any of them besides Artur could dramatically KO Ingo Patterson style. Any other questions? - Oh one last thing, Ruiz is in condition, his stamina is fine (sometimes) that’s what it means to be “in shape” for fighting Toney as a HW was more “in-shape” then 70s Foreman so was Ruiz… Marciano was in better shape then Bruno despite looking at times like a slightly chubby 175lber - is any of this difficult to understand?

 

I’m not sure I’d pick Wilder over ‘prime’ Sonny, but I’d darned sure give him a chance. I don’t think there’s a fighter he couldn’t knock out so it’s a matter of if he lands.

As awkward and unrefined as Wilder seemed at times, two things were real and world-class: his power and his hand speed. Every fighter he faced knew to avoid that right hand, but it was like an arrow in both velocity and accuracy when he timed and threw it correctly. Sonny wasn’t exactly a quick-twitch guy or an impossible fellow to hit, so I could definitely see Deontay laying him out.

Again, if I had to put money on it I would probably favor Liston, but I would not be shocked if he ended up on his back staring at the ceiling asking if anyone got the license plate of that truck that hit him.

 

He did learn how to punch to the more vulnerable back of the head - he did it often enough, OR, if one prefers, those wayward shots were simply a byproduct of his lack of boxing skills.

 

You need more reading comprehension, I said POVETKIN had more skill in his pinky than Williams, Usyk is incomparable. That's why he beat those two.

It's not really speculation, the guy that could walk through Deontay's hardest shots got dropped by a graze from Ngannou.

 

He slowed down a lot in the last 5-6 years of his career. While never fast on his feet, he wasn't slow with his hands and he had excellent timing, coordination and physical grace.

 

I think Liston would murder Fury.

 

The fact people are saying he was quick is concerning to me, who has got slow hands if not Liston? - seriously.

 

He was never known for slow hands, just slow feet .... also he was criticized for always moving straight forward and straight back. Watch Liston-Patterson 1 again. He trained hard for that fight and it showed. What nobody remembers is what Floyd said afterward on the radio: "He was too fast."

 

So sorry my mistake.Ok, let's change the message.To say that 'Povetkin has more skill in his pinky than Williams had in his whole body ' is not just exaggeration-it is unfounded nonsense.No doubt you're hoping this will explain why a 1960s/70s sized heavyweight like Povetkin sparked out two of your beloved jumbo-sized heavies.

 

LOL ! You do like to qualify your statements - Ruiz is in condition sometimes.Big George's weakness during the 70s was his lack of stamina.So the fact the fat version of Toney had better
stamina is hardly noteworthy. When did Marciano ever look slightly chubby ?
Ingo,at least, for his first title challnge, was a supremely fit 196 lbs.Yes,I know fighters
can rehydrate up to 20 lbs but the idea of that version of Johansson losing 20lbs and then rehydrating up to 196 lbs is fanciful to say the least.Why don't you take a look at the prime version of Johansson rather than the less than peak version of his third fight with Patterson ?
Go on, give it a go.

 

If Wilder took more damage in two fights, than Liston did in his entire life, that makes me even more confident in a Liston victory.

Of course it's utter rubbish and more laughable excuses from you. Yes, Wilder took a lot of damage against Fury but he certainly wasn't shot after. A year after the bout, he knocked out Helenius in one round, one of his best victories.

"I don't think you understand my point here, listing the damage on Wepner only makes it more humiliating that Liston couldn't put the guy away and his corner had to stop him."

It's absolutely not humiliating considering Liston was minimum 40 years old fighting a boxer who would go on to make the Ring's top ten. Care to tell me what guys like Ali, Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, etc were doing at 40?

Wilder couldn't even stop stunt dummy number 3 ffs and he's still in his 30s.

 

What a fantastic quote. Never heard it before. Thanks New.