Would anyone pick Wilder to beat Liston??

Huh are you serious? Not being a jerk here but Braddocks just about one of the weakest heavyweight champions in history… he’s next to Ingo, Rahman and Baer type guys.

 

Thanks for sharing and if I’m not mistaken myself I do recall you previously mentioning you having listened to the fight live.

I’d put money on you being correct - since it’s a standout statement and it went against what you might’ve intuitively expected Floyd to have said.

I wonder if the radio broadcast still exists or at least a transcript of same. That’s something I’ll keep an eye out for and def. report back if I find anything.

 

Thanks Mac.

 

Liston, alike Big George, is very intuitive and accurate with some of his shorter punches.

Liston is much like Holyfield, in that his offensive skillset at all ranges and his overall skillset is likely underrated due other more prominent aspects of them as a fighter.

The short devastating hooks that Sonny caught Floyd with would have certainly come as a surprise to him - I don't think it's necessarily about how quick he is but moreso how good his timing is.

Sonny clearly shows great ability to change the trajectory of his punch to find the target whilst throwing in combination. Certainly not the fastest puncher but more than adequate with his placement and timing - combined with clear raw power, a more than formidable fighter.

 

This is just not true. Braddocks mix of size durability, skills and power would be a nightmare for all but the very best HWs who've ever lived. Whom the guys from this era are not.

 

Wilder's mum perhaps?

 

Who knows?

After I’ve completed my Cinderfella career review, Jolt’n’ Jim Braddock may well make it onto my Thinking Man’s Top 10 ATG list.

Of course Ingo will still proudly remain atop the heap.

He is the immovable GOAT - to understand same, all you need to do is think about it…and I mean think about it a LOT.

My rationale is - the harder you have to think about it, the higher rating you afford to the fighter in question.

Thus, Ingo will never be knocked off his rightful perch.

 

Careful, you don’t want to encourage a spate of “Wilder’s Momma” jokes……..

 

These mental gymnastics are amusing if nothing else.

He wasn't shot against Helenius. He showed the hand speed, power, and fast twitch fibers that he lacked against Tyrell whatever the **** it was, Zhang, and even Parker.

Helenius was the fifth ranked contender (WBC). Tyrell was a hand picked club fighter at the end of his career. Helenius was/is the much much better fighter.

As for your laughable excuse that "Helenius was even more shot lolz" Helenius was only stopped twice in his career. Tyrell 5 times. Not only was Helenius the better fighter but he also had far less wear and tear.

As for him getting absolutely murdered by Parker lol, you didn't watch a single round of that did you? Schooled yes, murder no. He took virtually no punishment for the most part and was merely outpointed.

 

Are you joking or is this really a legitimate argument? Helenius was 38 years old. He fought twice more against a random journeyman he beat and AJ who flatlined him. And Deontay literally KO'd him with a jab while backing up. Like what are you even talking about?

Losing 12-0 while getting walked back to the ropes and flailing around against combinations is very much getting murdered.

 

Helenius was at the second hottest point of his career. He wasn't shot.

 

What? You wouldn't pick Usyk over Braddock? Do you mean in terms of resume or h2h? Neither makes sense but I wanna make sure I understand what you're saying.

 

Braddocks last 5 fights>Usyks whole career.

 

Honestly this just seems like rage bait and that's not a part of this forum I engage with often so I'll just let you be. Have a good day!

 

You know whats rage bait. Putting someone in the HW GOAT conversation with wins over 5 opponents where they lost 25 rounds. Thats rage bait.