Would beating undefeated champion Wilder in the US be Joshua's best win?

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Would undefeated, prime Wilder be Joshua's best win?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leading up to 2020, Wilder had the following results:

    Ortiz by KO
    Breazeale by KO1
    Draw with Fury, stayed the favorite in rematch
    Ortiz by KO
    Stiverne by KO1
    Washington by KO
    Arreola by KO

    He defended the WBC belt 10 times. He was undefeated. His reputation as a feared puncher was intact. I'm struggling to think of a better name on Joshua's resume. From 2016-2019, all eyes were on an eventual clash between Joshua and Wilder. If Joshua had won that match in emphatic fashion in the US, I can't see anything else in his career topping it.

    As it stands now, the leading contenders for a better win are:

    24-0 Joseph Parker in the UK (Joe had two defenses of his WBO belt against Razvan Cojanu and Hughie Fury), or 41 year old beltless, two years out of the ring Vladimir in England, who scored a heavy knock down during the fight.

    It's notable that Joshua has never won a significant fight on away soil. Doing so is always considered a boost to a fighters legacy.
     
  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It would've been seen as his best win since Klitschko or better due to Wilders age
     
  3. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, Wlad win is still the best win AJ's career .
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It would have been his best win at any point until he lost to Fury imo.
     
  5. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not the name, but the 41 year old, two years inactive, beltless, fighting away for the first time in a decade version of Klitschko? As someone who has seen all his fights, that was by far the worst he's ever looked. The left hook, my god!
     
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  6. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree too. That would have been his best win because it would have occured in a clash between two prime undefeated opponents.
     
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  7. BlackDog

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    Klitschko and Povetkin and Parker.
    Joshua got 3 names better than Wilder in resume.

    Yes. Parker looks much better now and he is probably in his prime time but still he beat Wilder in their fight pretty easy almost all rounds.
    Povetkin is name who was potential fight for Wilder but still he avoid this fight for almost 2 years if I remeber this right.

    Klitschko is masterclass. Even if he was old he was still name whos Wilder also avoid in his carrer and even when he lost to Fury and Joshua still Wilder want no smoke with him- only talking how Wlad must win some fights to be in ring with him.

    IMO not. Klitschko will be always better/bigger win. Two other is good question after all we know right now.
     
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  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  9. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Beating a 39 year old, never champion Povetkin in England, who was manhandled by Vlad is a better win than prime, undefeated Wilder coming off a one shot KO of Ortiz? I'm not sure you'll find many who will agree with that.

    Klitschko is masterclass? Joshua almost died. That fight dented his fighting spirit and it didn't recover. Not sure I would call that a masterclass.
     
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  10. BlackDog

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    Still this Povetkin was nightmare for Wilder and his team and still this "never champion" was the reason that Wilder avoid fight with OFFICIAL CONTENDER almost 2 years...
    Ortiz best win is Bryant Jennings. He also was old when he fight Wilder and in their first fight he was one step from KO Wilder out. Wilder got 20 second more break after worst round.
    Soo yes. Maybe not all agree but still Povetkin was someone who Wilder just duck. Joshua win with him by KO.

    Yes Klitschko is masterclass. He was legit Hw on highest level. Yes he lost to Fury but still Fury choose to avoid their reematch and getting fat talking nonsense about how he hate boxing even when he got extra $$$ to sing contract with reematch clasule.

    And soo what that was hard fight for Joshua? He show spirit and end of the day he show better spirit and champion class than Klitschko because both got hard problem here and Joshua is the one who win after all.

    And even after loss with Joshua Wilder dont want smoke with Wladimir. He only saying in that time that "I can fight Klitschko but first he must deserve it"...

    When Wilder meet top opposition whos name was not Stiverne and Ortiz he loose bad. Thats true.
     
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  11. catchwtboxing

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    The fraud train would come crashing down regardless, and the victory would end up looking so-so with perspective.
     
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  12. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think so, yeah.

    We all know Wlad, Povetkin, probably Pulev were better than Wilder. Let's get that straight. But they were all old and Pulev was literally messed up by Covid too.

    Undefeated Wilder was better than Ruiz, Parker, Takam, Whyte, Wallin etc. and I would say more dangerous than the old gold medallists.

    The proof really is that they ducked him for so many years because everyone knew one punch could wreck that brand for good and lose them a fortune. They already saw what the near loss to Wlad did to his performances.
     
  13. Redbeard7

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    Eddie Hearn in April 2018:

    "Wilder is a massive high risk fight and it’s the biggest fight in British boxing. Yes, Joshua wants greatness, but it is also a business. I wouldn’t expect you to take a job that was much harder and much more risk for a similar kind of money. You would just keep working on the easy stuff. This is a massive job - the biggest job out there - but what’s the money? It’s just a little bit more than you’re on at the moment. He is not worth 60/40 - nowhere near. I’m sorry but that’s the reality. Maybe Josh will pay over time, but I don’t think he should. This is the biggest fight of his career and maybe the biggest fight of his career forever.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/box...e-Hearn-Deontay-Wilder-Boxing-news-Fight-Hype

    It certainly would have been perceived as Joshua's best win and oddswise it was seen as a more dangerous fight than 41 Wlad in Britain or America but especially on away soil. Going to America to beat their prime, undefeated, long-reigning KO artist champion (the most decorated and formidable American heavyweight H2H since Holyfield, plus a far bigger one punch KO threat) is a major feather in one's cap. Dethroning Wlad in Germany could be seen as a greater accomplishment but Joshua didn't dethrone Wlad either.
     
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  14. Redbeard7

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    Wlad (at least prior to 41 and with a favourable referee) was better than Wilder, prime Povetkin maybe but not Pulev.
     
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  15. GGGfans

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    Wlad and Povetkin would stay above.