Would Boxing not be more enjoyable if fighters weren't so protective of their "0"?

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    I wish fighters would look towards the GOAT Ali vs "TBE" Mayweather and his hyped up 0 loss record. Ali has 5 losses including a couple in what would be considered his prime.

    Fighters now have this assumption that as soon as they lose the first time they may have to consider retirement. It's ridiculous and is the main reason the best will refuse to fight the best.

    Again Ali and many of the past greats have losses on their records and didn't have their careers ruined by the first loss they received mostly.
     
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  2. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree,
    But if you take a look at this hating @$$ board as a sampling of the typical boxing fan.
    It’s easy to see why fighters don’t engage in more challenging fights & risks.

    Fans, people in general can’t wait for fighters / others to lose.

    So they can drag & dump on them, call them frauds / exposed .. etc . Etc.

    we as boxing fans need to stop writing fighters off as exposed frauds after a loss.
    It’s a weird phenomenon that I don’t typically see in other sports.

    Typically fans of other sports will turn away / lose interest after several losses or several losing seasons.

    Boxing & its fans are unique
    with this “Perfect Record” obsession.
     
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  3. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    The only reason a fighter believes he should retire after a loss is because of the ******* fans. See AJ's loss after the Usyk fight. Other critisism from fans, he was a overhyped bum, exposed, never any good etc.
     
  4. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    of course it would be. blame the federations.
    ...and the salt regarding floyd retiring unbeaten after beating everybody is still very, very real.
     
  5. boxingspitbucket24

    boxingspitbucket24 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Don't hate the player, hate the game.

    Usually you can blame promoters and sanctioning bodies for not putting on better fights. The unfortunate reality is Mayweather was the first to break away from the greed of promoters and happened to still have a perfect record when he did so. Unfortunately as he was a trend setter, many have tried to follow the same blueprint of retaining the 0 in hopes to become an independent mega star like Mayweather.

    Look at the HW division. Look at how infrequently the top 10 actually fight each other. We're so busy with polls of hypothetical matchups because we're starved of many decent bouts.
     
  6. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    The "0" has nothing to do with it when you see the list of guys the fighter faced in order to keep it. That is what makes being undefeated great if you can do it.
    These guys hide behind the internet today where they could not do it 20 years ago. The fans are so polarized that it allows for guys to fight risk free or if they do falter the online basement dwellers will try to cover it up for them like they did for Lomachenko's butt spanking from Salido. That 0 had to go.
     
  7. PistolPat

    PistolPat Active Member Full Member

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    It ain't the boxers protecting the 0. It is everyone else that has nothing to do with training the fighter, but has their hands in his/her pocket that is protecting the 0.

    Just look at the garbage that comes out of the commentators mouth. Same reason boxers can't tell you why fights aren't really happening, money rules, and their employers is what increases their earnings.

    At the start it is profitable because the marketing and recognition these promotion companies bring to the table, but becomes lopsided once they (boxers) make a name for themselves. As everybody will put their hands in your pocket. Boxers do what they are told by their employers just the same as everyone else.

    Do people really think Crawford and Spence don't want to fight each other?

    If I were in Spence's shoes and hearing all common opponents say that Crawford would beat me, I would be straight back in the gym with the sole goal of putting Crawford in hospital.

    These people are fighters, but also slaves to the corporations and the government. That is the bitter truth behind consumerism and money.
     
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  8. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Of course.
    There should be more tournament like setups, where if you don't face the best you just don't have a chance to be the man at all.
    There's also the weird narrative of "he doesn't need to fight [insert name], because....", which is almost always bull.
     
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  9. vilderbeast

    vilderbeast Member Full Member

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    Mayweather and Pacquiao are two of the best boxers in my lifetime. When did the fight take place, compared to its prime?
     
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  10. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That didn't happen when Calzaghe retired....
     
  11. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    that's because mikkel kessler was the best fighter calzaghe ever fought who wasn't old and past prime.
    floyd was a genuine G who spent his entire career fighting the world's best fighters on the biggest stage of all.
    you can count over a dozen kessler+ opponents on floyd's resume.
     
  12. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    fight should definitely have taken place 3-4 years earlier, but i can't tell you who's fault that was because i don't know.
    depending who you ask, there seem to be plenty of people on both sides willing to blame the other.
     
  13. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's kind of the reasons why people tune in, to watch that o go.
     
  14. Eel87

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    First thing casuals ask is "whats his record?" Or he's undefeated
     
  15. vilderbeast

    vilderbeast Member Full Member

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    Probably nowadays. The argument should be made for 'weak 0's' though. I enjoyed Davis v Cruz but I know for sure that there's going to be a whole lot of unfounded talk of 'Davis being the best in whatever conversation'. Surely some people need to see the competitive bouts before hailing him as a great. There are so many better fights available without having to rely on 2 Fighters with 0 losses facing each other.
     
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