Would Calzaghe have been the best ever if his hands had stayed injury free?

It didnt come to fruition because Hopkins decided against facing Calzaghe. Thats right. Hopkins decided not to take the fight. Calzaghe agreed to face Hopkins in America and it took place in America when it did happen with 3 American judges and an American ref.
Now you say normal response from Calzaghe so can you tell me about all of these occasions? Of course you cant and thats why you look silly when you drift off facts

 

Based on fighting Calzaghes leftovers? Yeah got it

 

I showed you a link before and You said Jones wasnt interested. Are you now pretending to have not seen the link or suffered amnesia? Best you lay off those New Year drinks

 

We've all seen the link.

Most people know it was complete BS.

I've spoken to fans of Joe's who know it was nonsense.

Anybody can make a noise knowing full well it's not going to happen.

Joe and Frank knew full well that the world's best fighter and unified LHW champ, wasn't going to come to Britain, and drop back down to SMW to fight for Joe's lightly regarded belt. It's laughable.

It was manufactured to fool the uneducated fans.

How many times have we gone through this? Ha!

We've got statements from Joe from the following year where he said he'd want the 'Crown Jewels' due to the element of risk involved. Obviously, the 'Crown Jewels' meant a huge payday. But nobody was going to give Joe a huge payday. Because he was a relatively unknown WBO champ and there was no demand for the fight. Simple logic.

If he'd seriously have wanted Roy, the logical steps would have been to move up to LHW and fight in the U.S.

Could you imagine if Ricky Hatton had requested for Floyd to fly to Britain and to drop back to LWW to fight for a lightly regarded title?

Joe bragged of his number of WBO defences. He made 21 of them, with only about 6 mandatories. He was happy to fight those guys. Forget what someone says and concentrate on what they do.

Only a fool would seriously believe that Joe wanted to fight Roy. He was fighting guys like Kabary Salem when he was in his 30's. He'd also said 3 years earlier that he wasn't chasing Roy as he didn't want tough fights. You need to wake up and smell the BS. Joe would never have put himself in a ring with a guy of Roy's abilities. It's a fantasy.

 

Calzaghe never had the ambition. He was happy being the big fish in the WBO's small pond. I've said it before and I stick by it; Joe Calzaghe was the spiritual successor of Chris Eubank.

 

Correct.

The difference is:

Chris openly admitted to being content to just fight his WBO mandatories, whereas Joe pretended that he was desperate for the biggest fights but he couldn't get them.

Anyone who stays in Britain and defends a lightly regarded WBO belt 21 times, can't expect to lure the world's best fighters into fights for huge paydays.

 

Joe Calzaghe would have fought anyone.
You sir are undermining his mindset based on a glib comment he made about "the crown jewels" to fight Roy, (and Im a Roy fan)
Nard wanted no part of SM Calzaghe.

A non brittle handed Joe's style is a nightmare for anyone.
Roy would have beaten him at SM but it would not be a walk over.
If you can't see this then you are biased.

 

Wake up man.

Although he was a GREAT fighter, the man defended a lightly regarded WBO belt 21 times, with only about 6 of those being mandatories. And he was immensely proud of the number of defences. He bragged about them.

Now just process that and then come back and tell me he'd have fought anyone.

It's absolutely laughable.

The man killed himself to make SMW, even during periods when he knew he couldn't unify and there was nothing else on the horizon at the time.

 

You fail to acknowledge that it wasnt Calzaghe that was talking about wanting the fight in the UK or at SMW. You must have really lost it out there Loudon. You cant remember or are selectively forgetting

 

so how come he didnt for so many years?

 

Oh is that why Calzaghe was slapping? His hands were fragile? Oh man...

 

Brook gets stick for it now something like four fights in and he travelled for his strap opps

 

Roy spoke of it as an option if the money was right. Which it would never have been for obvious reasons.

The reason why Roy spoke of it, is because he knew full well that Joe wouldn't fight him in the U.S. at 175 pounds.

Look at the links from the previous year in 2001 when Joe supposedly wanted him. The same thing. Just nonsense. A fantasy. Frank Warren said to Roy: "Come and fight for Joe's title on Showtime" Ha! He'd been with HBO for 9 years at that point, and he'd just signed a new 6 fight deal. And why on earth would the world's best fighter and unified LHW champ, drop back to a division he'd left 5 years earlier, to fight for a Micky Mouse belt, against a fighter who was relatively unknown, who was coming off of wins against the likes of Veit and McIntyre? Ha! You couldn't make it up.

It was obvious that Roy was never going to entertain the notion, unless he was paid huge money. And they didn't have huge money to pay him, because Joe also wanted huge money.

I've never found a single link anywhere online where Joe offered to fight Roy in the U.S. at LHW. Like I mentioned yesterday, it would have been akin to Ricky Hatton asking Floyd to fight him in Britain at LWW. It was an absolute joke, just to fool guys like you into believing he was genuine. Seriously, how can you buy that? It's just BS. But of course, it gave Joe the opportunity to say to people: "I wanted to fight Roy, but it never happened because he wanted too much money"


Joe never wanted Roy. And his various comments throughout the years as well as his resume prove that beyond doubt.

 

I didnt read much of that as after starting realized you were pretending the previous links didnt exist as Calzaghe was also mentioned after Woods, so until you can recall the links which you are now trying to pretend didnt exist and stop posting how these boxers were thinking which you dont know, you cant comment

 

Come on.

This is poor from you.

We both love these debates and the banter.


If you really didn't read my last post in it's entirety, then I suggest you go back and do so. Because not only did I acknowledge what happened in 2002, but I also acknowledged what happened the previous year in 2001.

I don't dispute the links and videos etc.

What I'm saying, is that it was all BS manufactured to fool the uneducated.

Frank W offered Roy the opportunity to fight Joe for Joe's WBO belt on Showtime. Do you know how ridiculous that was? So the following year, Roy pondered how much he'd want to drop back down to SMW to fight in Wales, because he knew Joe wouldn't fight him in the U.S. at LHW.

We also know that Joe wanted huge money. But no promoter would/could pay both guys huge money, because there was no real demand for the fight. So it was a non-starter. The fight simply wasn't viable. But again, if Joe had been serious, he'd have been more proactive. How the hell can a relatively unknown WBO champ, ask for the world's best fighter and unified champ to drop down a weight and fly over to his country to fight him? When has that happened before? It was Roy who was the 'Man' so the onus was on Joe to make concessions to try and get the fight.