would Calzaghe have Lacied Pavlik?

A largely stationary target, facefirst defence, minimal footwork, slow in general; sure sounds like Lacy. Pavlik has his right hand, and Jeff has his left hook; doesn't mean Pavlik is gonna be anymore successful. At least Lacy was a natural SMW; not too sure we can say that about Pavlik.

And at least Lacy tried his best against Joe, and threw some bloody punches in his general direction (even if they didn't land). Lacy went out on his over-rated shield against Joe, unlike Pavlik who just lumbered after a guy old enough to be his dad without throwing any punches, and yet still got busted up into the bargain. The brilliant counter-puncher that is Bernard Hopkins couldn't even counter Pavlik after about the second round because Pavlik wasn't throwing any punches that Hopkins could counter; so Bernard just beat him up in spurts.

Styles make fights, I know, but If THAT Kelly Pavlik showed up against Joe Calzaghe he would get brutally butchered. For the most part Hopkins beat Pavlik with speed the other night; Joe Calzaghe is faster than Bernard Hopkins. And while Joe isn't as cute as Bernard at making angles and using his footwork, he is a lot better defensively than Pavlik and can set his punches up better as well.

BTW I'm not even a Joe Calzaghe fan; but this is the truth of the matter as I see it.

 

Spending Majority of a career fighting bums in your hometown would do that for you.

 

What makes Cal a sucker for the right hand? Kessler landed some rights that looked effective, but Cal rolled with a lot of those shots as his face showed no effects of these so-called right hands, and Hop knocked him down, and did not land a clean right like the one he knocked Cal down with for the rest of the fight. Cal is not sucker for a right or lead right. sometimes fighters get caught. Cal has the ability to take away waht you do best. He wore Hop down, and he wore Kessler down after they landed their right hands.

 

Yeah, Hop was a bum, so that must make Pav a low down bum.

 

He fought what the division could offer, just as Hopkins. Hometown? The last time I checked London and Manchester were not part of Wales... but how stupid would you sound (just as stupid as now ) if you'd ask why didn't Hopkins leave his home country to fight in Iran, Mongolia, Japan, Germany... why would he do that if his fans are from the US?

 

I'm calling bull**** on this one. You're out of your mind if you really believe this.

 

That's irrelevant to the point I was making, which is that Calzaghe is not big puncher.

 

He's not a big puncher, but he's not feather fisted either and certainly has a good enough combination of speed and power to stop fighters.

 

Well, in the last few fights he's not really... looks like he's protecting his hands a bit nowadays. But vs. Veit or Mitchell he showed a decent punch, and hurt Kessler, made Hopkins grab for dear life and knocked down Lacy who's never been down before... no 1-punch KO power, but pretty decent snap in his punches which can result in finishing combos.

 

Yeah, and I'm calling bull**** on what you're saying about Cal. It is your opinion that he won't stop Pav. That doesn't mean it's in science books as true. Just as good does not mean better.

 

yeah, it means just as good or equal. Prettty much anyone who was watched those two fight will say that Hopkins is clearly better defensively and more crafty.

 

You were also saying he probably wouldn't stop Cal, and you pointed out to him beating Lacy from pillar to post. This is not evidence that Cal couldn't stop Pav.

 

It indicates that he is not a big puncher. When you land that many punches without getting the stoppage, your power comes into question. The guy exhibits poor punching technique many times and hasn't recorded a legit stoppage in years. This would leave me to believe that he couldn't stop a big, relatively durable fighter who has been in with bigger punchers without getting stopped.

 

Yeah, they might, but Cal beat Hop, and that display you talk him being clearly better and crafty was only evident against smaller fighters and guys with no speed. Cal and Roy were able to expose Hop with their speed. Even if it wasn't totally effective, it was more efffective than what Hop did to them, and that is the way to beat Hop. I have to go back to work, but we can discuss this as I will go back to "find more posts by Nallege" when I get home...I'm going to enjoy this one lol...

 

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