Would Carl Froch have faced prime RJJ and co. if he'd been champ in that era?

yup

 

its difficult with jones since he shared his (real) career over 4 divisions. you can rarely pin him down before hes moving on to outdo himself.

if jones had spent his life at smw, then theres no doubt he would have unifed, treblified and beaten almost everyone, and avenged any loss(es) he picked up.

 

He would have fought them all if given the chance and given a half decent payday. Froch has a lot of self belief it's what has gotten him where he is as in terms of talent he is nothing special.

He would have lost to Jones Jr of course, self belief only gets you so far and Roy was super human at his best.

 

he moved up because he'd achieved what he wanted to at MW and knew he was struggling to remain competitive there at top level (obvious at age 39 for anyone). He had no idea he would go on to win a LHW title at that point, probably just thought he would finish his career somewhere else.

yep, that's my verdict too. toney was just too complete.

in the time he spent there and amibitions he needed fulfilling, the fight would be difficult to make.

 

wel I don't know what is pushing yourself if going up through 4 divisions winning titles all the way isn't pushing yourself. and not in the little weights either, all the way to the top. I think froch would have push himself a lot more than he is to do that, not just froch pretty much no one pushed themselves that much in that kind of direction.

One only has one lifetime to life, and your sports lifetime is brief, perhaps a decade at your best. Noone cant do everything, you have to chose bits if you are going to cover 4 divisions with one life. The occasional ped use obviously mars that achievement.

 

He wouldn't have gotten the opportunity if he'd have defended the WBO like Joe did.

He'd have needed to make concessions.

Collins was overlooked.

He'd lost all of his big fights when he was younger, and by the time he'd beaten Eubank for the WBO, Toney and Hopkins were at different weights, and Roy was looking at unifying the main belts at SMW. When that wasn't possible, he moved up to LHW.

When Collins chased Roy in 99, (I have to give him huge credit for that) nobody wanted the fight. HBO wanted Roy to fight a unification with Reggie Johnson.

 

It's hard to say. I don't see who he could have beaten to make Roy interested in fighting him especially because he is perfectly suited to 168 so that's where he would have likely fought. Then again maybe Roy would have been interested because he would have looked at Froch's style and thought "easy win"

 

yeh I don't think you can everything in one sports life.

at some point you have to chose to spread your eggs or put em all in one basket.

but the drugs thing obviously affects one period in his career for sure.

 

This is a good thread.

But you'll have to explain to me exactly what you're asking.

Are you asking what would have happened if Carl had've turned pro when Joe did, and he'd have fought all Joe's competition at the same time?

Ha!

I'm confused.

The only way Roy would have fought Carl, is if:

Carl had have held a major title at Roy's weight.

Carl had've been a mandatory, and he'd have been willing to travel, for a small fraction of the purse.

 

That's simply not true.

It's been covered on KillSomething's thread, that includes numerous links and videos etc.