Would Chuvalo have worn Foreman out?

Taking into account,Foreman only being a pro for a year in 1970,Chuvalo was quite a major test for him.

 

Compare this (from ca 8:15):

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To this (from ca 7:25):

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I think the second stoppage is better.

 

You're undoubtably right :good Some find the Lyle stoppage premature,which is weird. Ali had Ron totally defenceless,and all over the place.

 

The big difference is that Lyle is defenseless and gets hit cleanly with just about every shot. Even though Ali is clearly pulling his punches Lyle's head wobbles with the impact (look at the soft left Ali lands shortly before the ref steps in). That's when brain damage occurs. Excellent stoppage.

Chuvalo on the other hand is only hit by a couple of jabs and perhaps a right after the initial right that rocks him. All the other punches (and there are lots of them) either glances off or misses completely. Just before the ref steps in, Foreman actually stumbles back a step and out of punching range because his balance is so poor. Chuvalo has also started firing back after a long sequence of only covering up.

 

The Foreman/Chuvalo fight was stopped to save Chuvalo's life. Foreman was destroying him and Vhuvalo was badly hurt. The talk of a premature stoppage is crap. Watch the films .. Foreman was fresh, landing sledghammer bombs and Chavalo was taking one after another .. he literally could have been killed.

To compare this with the way Lyle choked and froze against a much lighter shot from Ali who then proceeded to miss 70% of the arm punches he threw is a joke. The loss to Ali and the way Lyle choked to me is the black mark on Ron's career . Lyle held Ali in such high regard that he was slightly intimidated and froze up ... the man took much bigger bombs from Shavers, Foreman and even Quarry and fought back ... a very disappointing loss to me ..

 

The clip is above and I don't agree that he was taking that amount of damage.

 

Chuvalo had taken similar and perhaps even worse beatings before but then again it was probably better that the fight was stopped as Chuvalo would have surely paid a heavy price in surviving against a young George Foreman. He suffers from no ill-effects now.

I think Chuvalo was too old to really stage any kind of a comeback. Even if Foreman does run out of gas, he probably wouldn't have had too much difficulty winning a decision. He had already gone 10 rounds twice.

 

Everyone can have an opinion. You are just against that of 95% of the people that watched and reported on the fight as well as the vast majority of historians who comment on it .. from the 8:10 mark where he staggers him to the two dozen unanswered punches he lands as Chuvalo's head snaps wildly back and forth to the blood streaming wildly to the commentator saying Chuvalo was taking a savage beating to Chuvalo's own corner rushing in to save their man the facts simply prove you way off ...

 

I'd advise those 95% to look at the fight again. Sure he was being battered for a moment, but at the end Foreman was missing. It's just that Chuvalo was getting old, and his manager did not want to see him take any unnecessary beatings from a young power puncher. Foreman was doing well enough with the jab alone, and could have gone back to that if Chuvalo was able to last out the round.

 

Do you really, really see this on the film? You can't be serious about him landing that many punches? I'd say 4-5 lands cleanly maximum, with two being jabs (stiff jabs, but jabs), two being body punches that lands at the side/back of Chuvalo and one being a right hand that seems to connect pretty cleanly. None of the punches seems to have that great effect, though. His head certainly doesn't snap "wildly back and forth".

As for the possibility of a Chuvalo comeback, The Great A makes some good points. I would pointed out that Chuvalo was being pretty effective to the body early on and I would have been interesting to see if he really could have affected Foreman that way.

 

chuvalo's cornermen never through the towel in,his late wife Lynn threw her purse into the ring causing the stoppage

bigjake

 

Chuvalo was always effective to the body but what he lacked was good finishing ability. He only knew how to throw a left hook, and a terrific left hook it was, but his right hand was a nothing punch. Of course Foreman didn't exactly have the defensive prowess to keep Chuvalo from throwing his left hand unlike some of the other boxers who nullified Chuvalo, but his jab was working very well and it did the job against Peralta as well. Chuvalo wouldn't have been able to make his way in without paying a heavy price, namely a heavy left jab on the nose.

The Chuvalo of 1970 did not even have the speed to throw combinations anymore, not that he was ever fast at all (quite the opposite), but that's how he usually forced stoppages over tired opponents.

 

If you look closely, George Foreman was more-controlled back then, and wasn't
wasting alot of useless punches.
DicK Sadler had him well-prepared for that bout.

Pushing a wheel-barrow filled with 100 lbs. of cement up-hill, numerous times a day.
If Foreman didn't stop Chuvalo by Round 5, he just would have stayed on the outside
and used his hammer jab.

Dick Saddler and George Foreman weren't dumb that night!

 

hi duce.....i seen foreman interviewed years after that fight he said he was gassing fast,he had shot much of his load.maybe your right he could have just stayed on the outside the rest of the fight sticking chuvalo with the jab for the decision if it hadn't been stopped,but nobody will really ever kno now

bigjake

 

After the fight,,,,,,,Big George had nothing but praise for George Chuvalo.

He still said Chuvalo was #1, and he was #2.,,,,,,,,,,Class guy 'Big George'