Would Cleveland Williams Be Dempsey s Downfall?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    If Dempsey Had Faced a near enough prime Cleveland Williams, let's say in place of Firpo??

    Does the Big Cat maul the


    .. Er... Mauler??


     
  2. BCS8

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    I think Williams had all the ingredients to make a great fighter, except his shaky chin. Not sure I fancy that chin against Dempsey
     
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  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    That's a factor in the fight for sure.
    It's a tough one tho, because of Jack s sometimes wild swinging style at times, he could be nailed by Williams.
    But I favour Jack myself.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    For sure Williams could do a lot of damage. If he fought smart and led Dempsey onto his straight punches it could get ugly. But, I didn't like what I saw against Liston. The first few good ones Sonny got in on him and he crumpled.
     
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Would be an interesting few rounds, how ever long it lasts.
     
  6. BoxingFanOfIranianDescent

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    Dempsey possessed similar savage power as Liston but was also much more elusive in both foot and defensive movement, and was a master of punching at various angles. Williams is outmatched here.
     
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  7. mr. magoo

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    I honestly doubt it. Sure Williams had enough power to have a puncher’s chance against a lot of people. But Dempsey was very quick of both hand and foot with a ferocious punching technique and that spells bad news for Williams’ shaky defense and chin
     
  8. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Considering Williams wasnt even consistent against fringe contenders Id say no but then the fight would never happen anyway because Williams was a big black guy and Dempsey wanted no part that.
     
  9. Richard M Murrieta

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  10. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    He's Baaaaack!
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    That's not really true. Williams actually took a lot of hard punches from Liston, and at times gave better than he got.
     
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  12. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I’ll meet your stake Rich and say: Let’s ask Swag.

    Ah, no need, Swag has already opined on this.

    I actually agree with Swag (no fee involved).

    Williams’ chin gets an unfair neg. rating. KO’d by Satterfield early career but then went years before being KO’d by a proven power puncher in Liston who KO’d a lot of people.

    The same Liston who was the only man to 1) KD and 2) stop durable Wayne Bethea in less than one round.

    Otherwise, later came the permanently impairing gun shot wound and past prime stoppages/KO losses.

    Even at age 38, Big Cat showed a very respectable beard against Chuvalo over 10 tough rounds. And he was still able to mark up and set the iron chinned Chuvalo back on his heels.

    If Big Cat nailed JD with some of the punches he caught Liston with it would be very interesting-
     
  13. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's hard to take a lot of punches in such a short time.
     
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  14. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dempsey's power...speed and vicious attack vs William's chin...gee...I dunno...
     
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  15. BCS8

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    Here is the fight's highlights

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