Would Cooper, London and Cockel be champs?

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  1. Irish Fire

    Irish Fire Member Full Member

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    With the heavyweight devision the way it is now, i was wondering: henry Cooper. he beat Zora Folley but failed on all other title challenges, or world class fights. but he put Muhamed Ali down and outmuscled Powerhouse Jose Urtain. His career ended with a contreversial loss to Joe Bugner. His weight never went above 200 lbs. his highest weight ever was 195 lb. he retired 40-14-1. And he had a left hook to rival Joe Fraziers.

    Then we have: Big Brian London. he reitred 37-20-1. another Floyd Patterson victim. he was powerful, 6 foot, and around 200 lbs. But he had an iron chin, and took batterings from Cooper, and when he retired he was years past his prime. he retired in 1970. his prime was 1958. He beat uber talented Zora Folley.

    Then we have: Don Cockell. 66-14-1. don't let his decent record fool you. he was battered to a pulp by Rocky Marciano, and Nino Valdes. But he was talented. he was called fat but weighed only 211 lbs on average. he had a decent punch but was a better boxer.


    so, my question is, if these lot where around in this rubbish devision these days, despite being undersized, would they be champion?

    i can see Cooper, arguably the best of the three, KO'ing Haye and Klitschko with his mighty left hook.

    London terrorizing Ruslan Chagaev with his abilty to bully bigger men around the ring.

    Don Cockell could match up well with Sam Peter, showing him how a fatman figths.

    what do you think?
     
    Irish Fire, Aug 27, 2008
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  2. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    London and Cockel was pretty much garbage and wouldn't even be on Jameel McCline's level these days, Henry Cooper would be up there.
     
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  3. Irish Fire

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    London wasn't Garbage. Cockell wasn't that great though.
     
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  4. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the all sucked. not even today they would be champs.
     
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  5. Irish Fire

    Irish Fire Member Full Member

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    KNOB. of course they would be champions. remember, Copper put Ali down. he beat Zora Folley and the then 34-1-0 [34 ko's] Jose Urtain.
     
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  6. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sonny Banks also knocked down Ali.
    That wouldn't make him a champion today, would it?

    Seriously, they all would be very beatable but Cooper would definitely be the one with a remote chance.
     
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  7. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You would have to rate them in the cruiserweight division to be fair. Would be a problem for Cockell who was a good lightheavyweight but developed a gland problem that pushed his weight up over 200 pounds.
     
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  8. RonnieHornschuh

    RonnieHornschuh ESB indie police Full Member

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    the problem is "Big Brian London" is 15 lbs lighter than "The Colossus Chris Byrd". they could be competitive at lhw/cruiser...
     
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  9. FlatNose

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    As far as Heavyweights go, things today are pretty bad. If around today, London , Cooper, and Cockell would probably be Cruiserweights. Cockell started his career as a light heavyweight, and was just chubby by the time he volunteered to be Rocky Marciano's punching bag. London had a chin that jutted out just aching to be hit, the only thing missing was a bullseye. The best of the lot was Cooper for sure, who had a great left hook indeed.
    But if you look at what is around today, even as Cruiserweights, this trio would be major players among the contemporary heavys. The glaring absence of boxing skill (Sam Peter), lack of conditioning (Toney, most Russians)and little or no stamina and durability (Wlad), would make todays big guys very vulnerable against the flawed and smaller, but obviously more skilled, conditioned and competitive heavys of bygone era's , including Cooper, Cockell and London.
     
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  10. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd give Cooper a definite shot although his lack of size could be a problem these days , dont know much about Cockell outside of the Marciano pasting and although London was plenty strong he was slow as a week in jail and almost impossible too miss.
     
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  11. guncho

    guncho next champion! Full Member

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    NFW= No fu*king way!
     
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  12. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree - and that's putting it mildly.

    This is one of the :nut topics I've ever seen on ESB.

    The question s/b how long would these 3 stay in the hospital after fighting a good current HW. Cooper, the best of the 3, would be murdered by most any top 20-30 HW of today. They might be competetive at CW - and even that's giving them the benefit of the doubt. :yep
     
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  13. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    cooper as a cruiserwieght titlist
    london as a lower level cruiser

    cockel wouldnt be on the map.
     
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  14. Irish Fire

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    coper had the power to get into a brawl and the style and skill to box. london would finish wlad but was a punching bag, with power.

    Cooper- cruiserweight titlist
    London- European/WBU, IBO
     
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  15. RonnieHornschuh

    RonnieHornschuh ESB indie police Full Member

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    if london beats wlad :)patsch :patsch :patsch ), then why is he only european/ibo champion?
     
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