Would David Tua bulldoze prime Ali?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    What you’re trying to say is that if you created atmospheric conditions to turn Ali into gas and gave Tua a special suit to prevent the same from happening to him, he could walk through Ali.

    There’s also a terrible pun to be made about Ali’s name if this happened.
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think you'd have to pick Tua just due to his better resume, with his wins over prime Sam Langford, Jack Dempsey, Max Schmeling, Max Baer,, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, and Floyd Patterson.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Makes sense. Marciano fantasy-beat Ali, and Tua fantasy-destroyed Marciano. Based on common opponents, I don't like Ali's chances.
     
  4. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    Is this a wind up ? ???? Ali would totally take him apart
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Not quite.
     
  6. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Actually from the point of view of the most miniscule scale, there are mucho fields & transient matter...
    "Is empty space actually empty?
    And as in the rest of physics, its nature has turned out to be mind-bendingly weird: Empty space is not really empty because nothing contains something, seething with energy and particles that flit into and out of existence. Physicists have known that much for decades, ever since the birth of quantum mechanics".

    However I believe none of that would interfere with the question we are considering, preventing objects from passing through other ones...
    If it was really "only" 99% empty, then it would seem to be even much less theoretically possible.
    But a Google search reveals variants of this:
    What volume of an atom is empty space?

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    Recent studies indicate that protons have a radius of about . 84 × 10-15 meters, giving them a volume of about 2.5 × 10-45 cubic meters. A hydrogen atom is about 99.9999999999996% empty space.

    We need someone better versed than I am to more fully explain the odds, but I am confident that no element on earth is remotely compact enough to change the odds of this "magic" trick randomly ofurring to any significant degree...

    "At the modest temperatures and pressures of Earth's surface, the densest known material is the metallic element osmium, which packs 22 grams into 1 cubic centimeter, or more than 100 grams into a teaspoonful".

    I do not think physicists think it likely happened, but the math is way beyond me.

    The one thing I am confident in is that only the densest things that exist meaningfully move the needle on how "empty" they are. What there proportion of empty space is I do not know, but consider this about a Neutron Star (observed as a Pulsar)...

    The star is more than twice the mass of the sun but just 15 miles in diameter, making it the most dense object in the universe except for black holes. It is so dense a single sugar-cube worth of neutron-star material would weigh the same as the entire human population of Earth (100 million tons). Sep 16, 2019

    Of course there is no way for us to imagine such density!
    I wonder what the weight of just a single GRAIN (like of sand) of a neutron start would be?
    Anybody got the calculation chops to compute this? :smileysex1:
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tua NEVER did anything!!!!
     
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  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Many of you out there are young fans of the sport, aquired your information of prime Muhammad Ali from You Tube. There are some of us who saw his fights live on television, we are not talking about the 1970's Ali, but the peak Ali from his first title reign from 1964-1967. We did not ever see a prime Ali, that was robbed from him in 1967 when he refused to enter the military draft at the height of the Vietnam War, he was banished from 1967-1970. Many who were a little older saw the 1970's version of Ali who was a bit more human, he was vulnerable to his opponents skills. The peak Ali never got dropped as a champion, had that unending stamina, speed, reflexes, and footwork, he was also in perfect fighting condition, usual weight was around 212 lbs.
     
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    The knockdown by Henry Cooper was on June 18 1963, as champion 1964-1967, Ali never got dropped. It was a learning experience for Muhammad Ali. He was not in his peak in the 1970's. We never got a chance to see his prime, 1967-1970.
     
  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I happen to like Tua and feel many people underrate him today ... he was never the same after the Ike loss but was always extremely dangerous based on the stylistic match up .. considering that the formula to beat Tua was movement, size, a good chin and a good jab it becomes obvious Ali was all wrong for him .. that said, Tua might have flattened the much lighter , slower starting Frazier ... it is all styles ..
     
  12. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Ali is about the worst matchup for a Tua (-like) fighter. No matter if its Larry Holmes, Tony Tucker, or Pinklon Thomas. Maybe Bugner beeing a problematic style also. Therefore, undentable early 70s Ali is even worse, subtracting the punchers chance of Tua hitting 60s Ali with a lefthook A-bomb and dropping the young fellow.

    Nevertheless, Tua gives 60s Ali a better run for his money than the average Londonberger, coming at Ali 12 rounds+ for sure with twice the power.
    Serving a self-portrayal torso-sacrifice to entertain the crowd & stuff (round 1 Chuvalo) is another nono this time. He´d better go for a serious Liston job.
     
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