Would early 70's Foreman have cleared the 90's with ease?

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If anything Bowe is overrated not underrated, he avoided pretty much all the known punchers of the 90s. And when he fought the first skilled big man who wasn't washed up in Golota, he bullied Bowe all round the ring in two fights.
     
  2. Reinhardt

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    He won't be, he'll use that power jab to straighten up Bowe, and when Bowe does get close George will shove him around. Foreman by KO
     
  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Fair enough.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Twenty pro fighters took his shot and either lasted the distance or beat him.

    70's Foreman's gas tank would get exploited by a number of the 90's bests, certainly Lewis, Bowe, Holy and even the Ruddock version of Tyson.
     
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  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    This is reasonable
     
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  6. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Downgraded Tyson beats him.
    Holyfield beats him.
    Bowe beats him.
    Lewis beats him.
    Mercer beats him.
    Ikeabuchi beats him.
     
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  7. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be fair, Golota punched Bowe in the nuts several times in both fights. That would have seriously impacted Bowe’s ability to, ahem…perform.
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Downgraded Tyson went life and death with Ruddock, and lost to Douglas.
    Bowe couldn't move his head to save his damn life.
    Lewis: 50/50. Gun to my head give me Foreman.
    Ikeabuchi: Way to unproven, as his career ended prematurely.
    Mercer: lol
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I'm not a fan of Bowe at all. With his potential, the sky was the limit but he ruined it by being a lazy ****. That being said, I don't put much stock in his fights with Golota. Aside from the nutshotting, Bowe was clearly a shell of himself by then (another consequence of his aforementioned defensive issues).
     
  10. White Bomber

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    Both of whom would beat Foreman.

    You act as if Foreman was a defensive genius himself. He was even more hittable and nowhere near as skilled as Bowe.
    Bowe beats him.

    Lewis obliterates him every single time, it wouldn't even be competitive.

    Proven enough for me, he beats Foreman.

    Mercer beats him too, he's far more skilled.
     
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  11. KINGWILDER

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    Difficult to say, I think he would have stopped Holyfield in an absolute war - say the later rounds. I see him vs Tyson ending sooner although Mike could have chinned him (less likely than a Foreman win). Guys like Moorer and Ray Mercer would have lost as well.

    His biggest tests would have been a prime Lewis and Bowe. Those guys were huge and were both killers. I would honestly give them a slight edge over foreman although they would still be highly competitive fights.
     
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  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    Yes but it was clear Golota was the dominant fighter, and it's not like Bowe was the cleanest fighter either. He'd been guilty of many fouls see the Tillery, Coetzer, Mathis, fights for reference.

    I think people forget Golota was supposed to be a cherry pick for Bowe it went horribly wrong though, as Golota was alot more skilled than everyone thought.

    People put it down to Bowe being completely shot, I whilst i agree that Bowe wasn't at his best. I still think Golota always gives Bowe problems, just look at the Tubbs, Biggs, fights in Bowe's prime. It's clear Bowe had issues with the jab or fighters who didn't fight him on the inside.

    Golota was the first real skilled big man Bowe fought, and he got dominated is that a coincidence?
     
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  13. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not with ease, but Foreman would have been a serious contender to top the 90s.
     
  14. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cleared? No. You think anyone is going to run the gauntlet of Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Tua, Mercer, etc? Man that's a rough group.

    Holyfield and Mercer would run him ragged. Tyson and Tua could hurt him, and Tyson's speed is going to be an issue. Bowe would be a quick war, however it ended.

    Remember that Foreman-Lyle rubber match? Lewis hits on par with Lyle and is an order of magnitude more skilled. The fight could go either way, but if Lewis hurts Foreman first, he's going to finish it.
     
  15. AngryBirds

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    Yeah, Foreman can.

    Holyfield struggled to deal with the old fat Foreman and only did as well as he did because Foreman was simply too slow to keep up. He had to spam power shots up close to stop Foreman. That speed weakness is non-existent with the younger one who, not to mention, was much more relentless in pressing home the attack. He'd KO Holyfield.

    If Holyfield had the strength to push Mercer back, imagine what Foreman would do. He'd tear Mercer a new one and even if Mercer decided to press the attack where he tends to be effective, he's no stronger than Lyle who had to land a number of flush hits to bring Foreman down whom was nearly at the end of his 70's run.

    Tua probably can hurt Foreman I'll give you that, but just because he could doesn't mean he'd beat him. Tua is too limited to his left hook, slow movement and not all that experienced against top guys. Left hooks don't seem to work that well against Foreman no matter if its Holyfield or Frazier thats throwing them. He'd have to land a bunch of them to bring Foreman down and that's just not happening before Foreman can bring him down. Foreman by late KO.

    Tyson? You realize there was a reason why Tyson avoided fighting Foreman to begin with right?

    Foreman excels at destroying short-ranged fighters who don't know how to fight on the backfoot. Tyson knew it and is why he was afraid of him. Tyson couldn't hurt Holyfield, much less someone like Foreman who was known for eating haymakers while throwing them back at the other guy. Foreman is bigger, stronger, has more reach, is more durable, better stamina (than 90's Tyson that is) and has the better intimidation factor here. As far as Tysons issue being a speed, not really. Speed was only an issue for the old fat Foreman. It was never a problem for the younger one. Tyson isn't strong enough to tie up Foreman, can't bully him nor is he able to intimidate him.

    Foreman by early KO.

    Agreed, and it'd end with Foreman standing over him by mid round KO. Bowes lack of defense would spell the end of him against a big puncher like Foreman.

    Lewis isn't as hard hitting as Lyle. He's inferior to him and Foreman, likely old Foreman too given Holyfields statements on who was the hardest puncher he faced. That said I do think Lewis is the one guy from the 90's who actually can beat Foreman because he has the right tools for it. I'd still bet on Foreman because Lewis had a habit of dropping his guard at the worst time.
     
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