Would early 70's Foreman have cleared the 90's with ease?

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  1. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yeah, Foreman can.

    Holyfield struggled to deal with the old fat Foreman and only did as well as he did because Foreman was simply too slow to keep up. He had to spam power shots up close to stop Foreman. That speed weakness is non-existent with the younger one who, not to mention, was much more relentless in pressing home the attack. He'd KO Holyfield.

    If Holyfield had the strength to push Mercer back, imagine what Foreman would do. He'd tear Mercer a new one and even if Mercer decided to press the attack where he tends to be effective, he's no stronger than Lyle who had to land a number of flush hits to bring Foreman down whom was nearly at the end of his 70's run.

    Tua probably can hurt Foreman I'll give you that, but just because he could doesn't mean he'd beat him. Tua is too limited to his left hook, slow movement and not all that experienced against top guys. Left hooks don't seem to work that well against Foreman no matter if its Holyfield or Frazier thats throwing them. He'd have to land a bunch of them to bring Foreman down and that's just not happening before Foreman can bring him down. Foreman by late KO.

    Tyson? You realize there was a reason why Tyson avoided fighting Foreman to begin with right?

    Foreman excels at destroying short-ranged fighters who don't know how to fight on the backfoot. Tyson knew it and is why he was afraid of him. Tyson couldn't hurt Holyfield, much less someone like Foreman who was known for eating haymakers while throwing them back at the other guy. Foreman is bigger, stronger, has more reach, is more durable, better stamina (than 90's Tyson that is) and has the better intimidation factor here. As far as Tysons issue being a speed, not really. Speed was only an issue for the old fat Foreman. It was never a problem for the younger one. Tyson isn't strong enough to tie up Foreman, can't bully him nor is he able to intimidate him.

    Foreman by early KO.

    Agreed, and it'd end with Foreman standing over him by mid round KO. Bowes lack of defense would spell the end of him against a big puncher like Foreman.

    Lewis isn't as hard hitting as Lyle. He's inferior to him and Foreman, likely old Foreman too given Holyfields statements on who was the hardest puncher he faced. That said I do think Lewis is the one guy from the 90's who actually can beat Foreman because he has the right tools for it. I'd still bet on Foreman because Lewis had a habit of dropping his guard at the worst time.
     
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  2. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    The nineties had a still tough Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Lewis and Bowe ... I doubt he clears it all but I'm positive it's not with ease ...
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't personally think so, but the success of Foreman and Holmes in the 90s, should definitely give proponents of that era pause for thought.
     
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  4. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I laugh at Ray Mercer’s name being thrown up here as even being viable.

    Mercer lost to a 43 year old Larry Holmes.

    Prime Foreman takes him out without breaking a sweat.

    Ray Mercer.:D
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I almost spilt my drink when i saw it too :lol:
     
  6. Storm-Chaser

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    Facepalm
     
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  8. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, Lewis would be the bigger challenge - and perhaps Holyfield - and I suggest this because these two were the best of the 90s Heavyweights, in my opinion. That said, it would also greatly depend on when early 70s Foreman was matched-up with each of them since there were notable swings in form and/or respective technical and physical developments in both fighters, over the course of the decade.
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Assuming he's some sort of prospect with a 20-0 something record in the early 90's, he would become champ at some point for sure. Maybe twice, and undisputed isn't out of the question at all.

    Could obviously beat the Douglas defending his belt.

    Could potentially beat the young Holyfield he faced as an old man. I really don't trust Holyfield to fight smart. If he gets into a shootout, Foreman is all over him and stops him brutally. However if Holyfield boxes, he has a chance of winning.

    If he fought Bowe after Bowe became champion, that would be a hell of a fight. But I think there's a reason Bowe fought almost no noteworthy punchers, his style and habits were all wrong for a guy like Foreman. Foreman wins unless he gasses out trying to go for the KO too soon.

    Goes without saying he could win a strap over temporary belt holders such as Morrison, Moorer, Bruno, Seldon, McCall, Rahman, etc. Easy work.

    The biggest obstacle would be 1) Lennox Lewis (very dangerous fight he could lose) and 2) if Foreman starts to get overconfident or slacks off due to his disinterest in boxing (this was already becoming a problem in the 70's). There are so many factors to think about, and Foreman's overly aggressive style combined with his occasional stamina issues might mean he could end up being upset by a smart skilled fighter in the 90's at some point. Generally speaking I think he'd do fine and could potentially dominate with the right manager and coach.
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    That's a very decent summation tbf. It's be mostly down to Lewis and complacency in a nutshell.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Mercer went life and death with Bert Cooper, was schooled by a fat old Holmes, but he's going to outslug and beat 70's Foreman.

    Comedy.

    It would be a slightly longer version of the Chuvalo fight if we're being honest. Mercer's toughness just prolongs the beating.
     
  12. Storm-Chaser

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    Obesity is a disease! Not foremans fault lol
     
  13. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Foreman wouldn't be the giant he was in the 70's. And there are plenty of bombers rivaling his power but with better skills.

    I think Foreman is all wrong (hate using the term "all wrong") for Lennox Lewis. But you have huge guys like Riddick Bowe who could box and bang, then you have big bangers like Mike Tyson and Razor Ruddock, guys with good power and solid chins like Ray Mercer, Ike Ibeabuchi and David Tua,

    Oh long johnson...hold on tiiiiiiiight yo
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  14. Blofeld

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    I haven't read whole thread so may have been pointed out already but it is not like you George was unbeatable, he was beaten twice. 90s Heavyweight scene was deep with a lot of varied fighters. If he was competing against the majority of the best fighters he would most likly pick up a loss. He had enough technical flaws that any of the best of the 90s could throw a spanner in the works. I find it hard to imagine any fighter from history to be unbeatable when you look at several different deep eras, if we assume they fight the best available.
     
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