Would Eubank have had a chance of winning against RJJ in both primes?

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  1. CannedHeat

    CannedHeat Member Full Member

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    I have my own answer to this but thought I’d ask first. And would interested n the different views between UK and US fighters.

    I’m not as knowledgeable as many people but loved boxing growing up. ITV boxing was a must as a young kid at my grandads on a Saturday and for anyone my age (41) can remember the Eubank Benn Watson era then Naz after like yesterday.

    But I was oblivious to the US. Was told Eubank was the champ as a kid and that was it and believed. Didn’t even know Roy Jones existed or James Toney etc.

    For younger or American people you have to understand we only had TV channels. No cable, so unless you were a geek and bought Ring magazine or some other one you wouldn’t. Even if you did and read about Roy Jones don’t know how you’d ever see the actual action. There wasn’t exactly YouTube to resort to. Did hardcore fans order a videotape to be shipped across to have a look?

    Obviously caught up now and looked unbeatable but don’t have much knowledge of his opponents. Imagine many were just punch bags but Toney obviously not.

    So was he unbeatable. Thought Brits were the best but naive about the wider world but suppose it was great as competitive.

    Would need to be pre Watson tragedy Eubank though as mentally lost something after. Had a great chin but reckon RJJ would just dance around him. Can’t be touched. Will never know though. Pissed off the scenes were so insular they didn’t fight much and happy to stay in different pools. Benn McLennan a notable exception
     
  2. CannedHeat

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    4 TV channels I meant to say
     
  3. CannedHeat

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    As an aside it’s like when people were shocked about Barrera Naz thinking the was unbeatable but only ever been fed the Uk view. First time he was troubled was Kevin Kelly. Don’t know whether Naz was a flat track bully or was past it (not age wise). When he started going on about Allah all the time and talking about religious more I think he lost his boxing focus. Just idiotically let Barrera put points on thinking he could spark him but was too good to walk on to one
     
  4. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, he threw the right hand counter without needing to roll his shoulder, block or slip prior to letting it go; short and untelegraphed. It was the perfect punch to counter the Jones leap lead hook. See Jarvis KO.

    He's not beating Jones on points.
     
  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Eubank was an elite. RJJ is arguably the best ever p4p.
     
  6. Impulse_0

    Impulse_0 Active Member Full Member

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    I love Eubank he is one of my favourite fighters but I don’t think posing in front of RJJ would be a good idea. It’s a bad stylistic matchup for Eubank imo
     
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  7. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Terrible matchup for Eubank. He doesn't have the style to trouble Jones.

    Mike McCallum would have beaten Roy at 154. Epic fight at 160. Roy at 168
     
  8. CannedHeat

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    These are my own thoughts now. Just feel cheated watching big fight live all those years thinking it was only Eubank Ben Watson who existed and then later Collins Calzaghe. I think Eubank admitted himself he didn’t want it as by that time has his cushty TV deal but pisses me off none of them fought Jones Tony etc and vice versa
     
  9. CannedHeat

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    It’s not like I thought Bruno and Gary Mason were the worlds greatest. We all knew about Tyson and thought he’d kill them. Perhaps I was too young and didn’t understand all the different belts as 12 year old. Eubank was world champion so surely the best? Lol
     
  10. CannedHeat

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    I love boxing but has to be the most ridiculous sport . How can you explain there are 4 different heavyweight/ middleweight etc champions of the world to a newcomer?
     
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  11. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    RJJ was protecting glass his entire career, a guy with Eubank's one-punch KO power would certainly have a chance. How much, it is hard to say because at his peak RJJ was very hard to catch, let alone catch clean. Watch what Julian Jackson did to Herol Graham, it could have been something like that.....
     
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  12. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Benn fought McClellan, who Toney and Jones wanted nothing of.
     
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  13. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My thoughts exactly. RJJ one of the P4P greatest fighters ever going in against one of the toughest fighters I've ever seen who had an uncanny knack of landing that crushing KO punch just when it looks like defeat is inevitable.

    The other thing with Eubank was his unpredictable, unconventional style of attack, punching from out of range, leaping in with lead uppercuts and other crazy shyte and he was incredibly strong. He probably only has a 10% chance but a chance non the less.
     
  14. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    there's a video on youtube, a SMW sit down with eubank, jones, collins and calzaghe where eubank says that going to the US and fighting jones in his prime would have been suicide.

    as i've said before, there's a reason why a number of good european fighters didn't go to the US when jones and hopkins were kings.

    the reason we are sitting here saying could eubank have done this, or could calzaghe have done this as a fantasy matchup, is because neither went to the US and made it happen during jones' and hopkins' prime.

    why should they have to go there?

    because fighters who make a name for themselves in the US get their career-defining fights.
    frank warren made a career by getting his better fighters 'a belt', keeping them away from the US and marketing his 'world champions' against lower tier fighters.
    good money to be made doing that.
     
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  15. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    you've hit the nail on the head.
    now you know why it's so easy to manipulate the system, which is broken anyway because there isn't one federation.