Would Floyd beating Ward be up there with the likes of Ali-Foreman etc

good summary but in the end, i think it's the fact that pac took chances and overcame opponents that he was the underdog against that put him on another level

-morales beat him clearly in the first and he rematched him twice, scoring two knockouts

-marquez is always gonna be his kryptonite so what does he do? fights him 4 ****ing times. win or lose, that goes a way with me

-cotto was almost even odds and looked great at 147...pac destroyed him

-hatton had never lost at 140 and pac took him out in far better fashion than mayweather did and at his best weight. again, an close on odds fight

-oscar was pretty heavily favoured on here and pac knocked seven shades of **** out of him

-clottey and even margo were WAY bigger and he dominated

in the end, pac fought people who COULD have beat him and dominated a five year stretch. mayweather hasn't taken a legimiate chance since corrales imo. despite the fact that they both are to blame for the fight not happening, pac's legacy is far more secure and mayweather's, like his style, is all safety first

 

If Hatton was really a 140 lb'er then so was Floyd, Jo. Floyd is just better.

You can pick apart Pac's resume EXACTLY the same. Floyd hasn't been KTFO a few times, either.

 

as for Ward fighting Floyd at 160...... Only if Ward can prove he can be effective at 160 first.

 

fair enough but pac's is far harder to pick apart. i'm not including mosley in there and margo or clottey aren't exactly top wins

other than that, from barrera-marquez 4 his run was incredible. the losses count against him but that happens when you consistently fight the best AT their best

mayweather can't say that

 

I think both of their resumes have glaring flaws, honestly.

Pacquiao separates himself with fights and wins over legends, and for his resounding, concussive run up the weight classes.

But Floyd has made the habit of fighting the best at his weight class, or the man at it, time and time again. Baldomir upsets king Judah in a shocker? Floyd fought both. Shane Mosley becomes #1 after beating the tar out of Margarito? Floyd beat him.


I agree that Pacquiao is greater and has achieved more, but I think the difference is often vastly overstated. Floyd beat Hatton first, and Hatton never looked the same. Floyd beat DLH at DLH's weight, he didn't suck him down. Pacquiao beat a Mosley contemplating retirement, not soaring off of one of his best career wins. Again, things to think about. I don't think they are THAT far apart, and if Floyd beats Guerrero, and Pacquaio continues to lick his wounds, the gap will start to close, as Guerrero has been hot for a couple of years and has some rather good wins of late.

 

Barrera - excellent win

Morales - past his best, coming off a bad schooling

Marquez - draw, many felt he lost the rematch

Diaz -

Hatton - It's Hatton. and it's hatton being trained by Floyd Sr.

Clottey - chokes in all big fights

Cotto - catchweight for a paper belt, dodged Mosley.

Mosley - dodged for 2 years, finally safe enough for him in 2011

Marquez- cherrypicked a 38 yr old lightweight, got outboxed

Bradley - brought up a light hitting JWW for a Top Rank in house fight

Marquez - got starched by a 39 yr old.


See, easy.

 

still like it a lot better than floyds :good

 

yeah those KO losses and boxing lessons he got look fantastic

 

I liked the Robert fight from the moment the talks started. People saying this is a mismatch an this an that are really sleeping on Robert. He looks strong while I think floyd is starting to look real tired. I seriously wouldnt be surprised if Robert catches floyd slipping an pulls off an upset.

 

I don't consider the '0' an achievement at all. I think being KTFO is a beter achievement than being undefeated.

 

Exactly why I'm saying now could be the time for Floyd to take the baton, so to speak.

He ends his career beating a few more champions(Tough, but he could, he has that sort of skill), and Pacquiao can't erase the memory of him on his face, that's going to shift history a bit. May not be fair, but that is how it works.

I don't, btw, buy the excuse Pacquiao fans, just like Jones fans, offer that a guy on a huge win streak is somehow shot to ****. They got sparked. It happens, it's boxing. If you are shot to ****, you don't go on large win streaks against proven opposition(Though, I suppose, you could argue Pacquiao has lost three fights in row, but he hasn't looked bad or extremely faded in any of them).

 

He's taken the baton since 2009.
Floyd outclassed Mosley, Marquez, Cotto, Ortiz and will outclass Guerrero and most likely the winner of Canelo/Trout

Pac outclassed Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Bradley and was KTFO by Marquez when he was supposed to be easy pickings. And will probably fight Marquez again for money, and that's it.

 

YEah, I'm not gonna lie, this latest Marquez saga has hurt Pac's historical standing in my eyes.

He RAN from a third fight after the original rematch, and only steps in the ring with Marquez again when he feels a safe, easy win is in the cards, and he can erase all the bad memories of the trouble he had with JMM. He's outboxed and embarassed, the decision is damn near unanimously regarded as awful. He promptly gets a taste of his own medicine in losing a bad decision to Bradley, and gets KTFO by Marquez in a return bout that was supposed to be for all the marbles.

That is an ugly, ugly stretch for the supposed premiere fighter in boxing.

 

i see what you're saying but undefeated only matters if you fight the best. pac was not nearly as selective in his choice of opponents and so his accomplishments simply mean more

the fact that he lost is reflective of his level of competition. the fact that floyd is undefeated is reflective of his skill but also, his level of competition

floyd has not taken the chances pac had and was much more selective. i can't really see the reverse

 

Really? Pac losing to a faded Morales would be on par with Mayweather losing to Oscar, but he didn't, because he can adjust when he has to. Pac simply throws his hands up mid-ring and keeps on trucking

How can you possibly say Pac bringing Marquez up to welterweight is not being choosey of his opposition? They saw him at WW vs Floyd, get dropped and hurt bad by Katsidis and figured this was the perfect chance to seal their trilogy and go out and top against their foe. "Not even god in the ring can help Marquez" Ariza said. And it backfired against a 38 yr old.