Would Floyd Mayweather go 50-0 against Sugar Ray Leonard's competition?

Yeah but he really didn't fight someone like Floyd.

 

If you isolate Ray on any night in his prime, none should be favoured, so I hope you don't think that was my point. But when you see them fighting late in the game and the choices Ray made going up and down in weight, the drug problems, etc., losing to someone like Alvarez or Cotto would've been more than just possible, frankly. And since Ray and Floyd's weight ranges are very different, it isn't as if we are even fairly, directly comparing like for like. If Ray stayed at 168 and fought someone similar to even a later stage Pacquiao at 38? We'd see him destroyed. But even in direct comparison, regardless of him being decisively bigger than Floyd from start to finish, which is clearly not a fair comparison, he'd still be in trouble against Pacquiao, and that much is quite clear to me.

Using the Pacquiao example, even with the size difference, Floyd was 38 for that. Let's not even pretend here, as this would be between Norris and Camacho for Ray and closer to Camacho! If you aren't going to give on not just the possibility but the obvious likelihood that he drops one or two to guys like that, since he aged far more poorly and came back far less wisely, you're just being irrational. So, I hope you're not going to play that with me. Ray is even a greater fighter to me, and a better p4p peak fighter to me also, but FMJ has points on him for longevity and consistency and volume of legitimate top ten class guys, just as Ray the advantage in the very top few wins in quality. Would Ray be so consistent? Not the real one, but maybe the mythical, ageless one, I admit.

 

Are we considering LEGITIMATE wins only to count on Floyd's record? Or adding the "Vegas Judges" decisions too ? cause Floyd never had 50 LEGITIMATE wins

 

It doesn’t matter if Hearns lost fights and Floyd always found a way to win.

The only thing relevant is how they’d have matched up stylistically.

Floyd was too small to outbox Hearns, and he didn’t possess the power needed in order to have stopped him.

 

That’s it?

 

Really?

Did they fight at LW?

 

I guess if we are talking Leonard’s prime against the versions that Mayweather fought, I wouldn’t be able to make a case for anyone to beat Leonard. The ancient version that fought Norris? Yeah that version would likely lose to Pacquiao or Canelo.

 

No. But it’s kind of a moot comparison. Floyd began his career as a super feather and didn’t ascend to welter until he was around 30. Leonard was a natural welter in his twenties. Doesn’t diminish the fine work that Mayweather accomplished. Sort of like saying would Leonard have won a light heavyweight title if he had been fighting spinks instead of Lalonde.

 

No.

 

No

 

Delahoya's resume stacks up against anyones.

 

Delahoya was was so good, hed hsve fought all the black fighters.

 

DLH would also have been undefeated with FLoyd's resume.

 

Always hated this argument. Floyd started his career at 130 and finished at 154. Sugar Ray started his career at 147 and ended at 168. However Floyd really dropped the ball by not fighting a clearly shot and crippled Sergio. There’s no telling how much higher esteemed he would have been by claiming the lineal/ring MW champion..


Ray Leonard commentated all of Haglers fights and saw his diminishing skills closeup. After Hagler vs Duran, he and Duran knew that Leonard could beat Hagler. Hagler had 4 more brutal wars after that basically fighting once per year before Ray Leonard decided to take that fight. He literally admits to cherry-picking a diminished Hagler. And I always say A-sides been doing this when people complain about Canelo aging GGG or Floyd carefully selecting opponents. It’s nothing new.