Would Foreman and Liston really blast out Tyson in two rounds

I would prefer (constructive) criticism of my posts or views rather than of myself. I don't come to boxing forums to be attacked personally by people who don't know me.

By recapping the history of our argument you saved me the trouble of outlining the fact although I swore and called a particular part of your argument crap, which it was, that I never personally attacked the poster, i.e., you.

You went on to make ludicrous assumptions about me. It's plain as day that you made the first personal attack so don't try to disguise otherwise.

I will concede that my argument with regards to the momentum of the fight altered slightly, but this wasn't intentional, rather I worded it sloppily in my first post, but in summation I do believe Tyson would put Foreman on the backfoot, not for the entire fight, but for periods certainly. Saying he was "capable" of doing so was a little light, I believe he would do it. So you picked up in an error of my wording, I will grant you that.

But I never said Tyson would use the same strategy as Ali, or that he would win an endurance contest. You said if Fighter A knocks out Fighter B late he essentially wins the endurance contest. I said this is not the case and cited Mayweather-Hatton as an example of why. I don't think Foreman-Tyson would carry out in the same way but I think Tyson would win the fight late, and it won't be by "winning an endurance contest" or by rope-a-doping.

I think you're flattering yourself with "nervous breakdown". But you did get under my skin, if that gives you some sort of satisfaction.

 

I see it differently. I admit that I may have at first got annoyed at the crap comment. You struck me as someone looking for a fight. I said something to the effect of you being surrounded by pink elephants. That was because I obviously thought your argument about Tyson was fantasy. Then you tore in and got far more personal by calling me a five-year old and a petty adolescent! It wasn't [me]... Charlie, it was you.

I started making assumptions about you after that point.

Okay, but the implications of your argument and your line of reasoning seemed open to reasonable attack.

Like I said, if someone throws a shot, they get countered.

 

All I can add is that you're wrong if you think I was looking for a fight - I'm struggling to think of how you could come to that conclusion when I called one of your points crap, it's not as if I trashed your entire point of view, or your post, or you, just a part of your argument. But there you go.

I do think the post with the fantasy land theme begun to stray from pure boxing debate and began to get personal.

All in all, I'm not fussed seeing as though we've both cooled down. I'm happy to call a truce, and look forward to further debate :good

 

Tyson has to get his shots in early to win. He could stop Liston or Foreman if he can get off first. Having said that, Tyson would have a serious disadvantage because of his smallish stature and short reach. Whether 215 lb. Tyson or Two ton Tony Galento or David Tua, the weight or fire power does'nt really matter enough to completely compensate for those short arms. Styles make fights and Tyson was tailor-made for big men with good jabs like Buster Douglas, Sonny Liston or Big George. But beyond the physical factors is the fear factor. Foreman and Liston would not fear Tyson! Holyfield and Douglass, certainly not destroyers like Liston and Foreman did not fear Tyson and they destroyed Tyson.Tyson seldom won a battle against the big boys when he had to fight in the trenches for any period of time. So in conclusion I see the real question as "how long would Tyson last if the fight went beyond one or two rounds?"

 

Liston would be one of the smaller fighters a peak Tyson ever fought. Liston also suffered from the "bully complex" so in that regards it would be a tale of who flinched first. Tyson fought plenty of giants who dwarfed Liston in size, weight and dare I say skill. A prime Tyson was lightyears quicker than Liston, would not be over-awed and gunshy like fellow d'Amato protegee Patterson. Conversely, Liston never fought someone as effective as Tyson, not even that green Clay kid who beat the crap out of him in their first fight. And yes, according to the doctors who tended him after the first fight, Liston had the crap kicked out of him. I think think the question here remains, would a prime Tyson take him out (yes, I believe) and in what round?

 

We all have our flaws. Mine are well-documented. I hope to see round 2 with you, and next time we'll stick to the merits of each other's arguments and uphold a standard of mutual respect.

A truce it is!

 

A preposterous statement. Liston was a very scientific boxer.

 

I honestly dont think that Tysons pre prison competition would give Liston much trouble.

He would deal with them in verry much the same way that Tyson did.

 

Frazier couldn't sustain a concerted attack against Foreman in 1973 because he was 10 pounds overweight, out of shape, and markedly past his prime. Had he fought Foreman near his prime weight with the same focus and attention to training he gave for Ali, Foreman would have had a much, much tougher fight.

 

Yeah, if you speed up the film he almost looks good enough to fight in today's division.

Also, head to head, I would take Tucker, Smith, the depleted Holmes of 88, and the motivated Douglas of 1990 to take Liston.

Sorry I have not contributed to the collection plate at the altar of Liston but enough here have done above and beyond the call.

 

i think tysons combination of speed and power allow him to beat foreman, as for liston i see this as a very entertaining fight but i have to give the nod to tyson. however if liston or foreman were to win i think its crazy to think that either would blow mike out in two rounds. this opinion is probably based off of foreman handling frazier so easy and tysons similar bobbing style. tyson is far faster more powerful and better than frazier if u ask me. imagine how exciting a tyson liston fight would have been though.....damn

 

These are incredible predictions.

Personaly I dont like these guys chances against some of the fighters Liston chewed up and spat out.

 

What, that collection of largely under-sized c-level fighters?

He did what any "great" fighter should have and dispatched them. Are we supposed to give him a medal for this?