Would Frankie Randall always have had Chavez's number?

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  1. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    Or do you think that Randall won those two fights against the All Time Great based on Chavez being passed prime just enough for Randall to win those fights with Chavez? (And yes I'm aware the 2nd fight was scored a draw)
     
  2. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont think he would have beat a Prime Chavez but he would have give JC all he could handle even at his best. Something about their matchup reminds me of Holy-Tyson, although Julio was much more competetive than Mike.

    Julio in his prime wouldnt have taken as many clean punches and hed get to Randall alot more. Doesnt mean he wouldnt give Julio hell though. Id say Randall still sees the final bell losing a close decision.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    I think Chavez would win prime for prime. He had undoubtedly slipped by that stage, but take nothing away from Randall; a great performance, and it still sends shivers down my spine watching Chavez get dropped. It's unnatural.
     
  4. lefthook31

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    Randalls size at 140 was the difference more than Chavez slipping. Randall was no spring chicken himself. Randall was big and strong at 140 and Chavez couldnt just overpower him so Randall just turned him and rattled off combos.
     
  5. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    Yeah I agree with you, I think the main thing that slipped somewhat was Chavez stamina, in the first fight I believe in the 8th round where Chavez was winning the first half of the round big but then he looked tired from punching himself out and then that's when Randall really started to lay a ton of leather on Chavez.
     
  6. MRBILL

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    Franklin Randall looked the goods at age 33 in 1994 against Chavez 2X on Cable TV, but Randall really slipped big-time by the time they had their 2004 rubber match down in Mexico.

    Randall got butt-shafted by the judges in the 1994 rematch on PPV...... No way Chavez was winning that fight after 7 rds of action.......

    Come the 2004 rematch, I scored for Chavez 7 to 3 over 10 rds fought..... Randall looked seriously faded and beyond his yrs..... Randall is only a year older than Chavez....

    MR.BILL
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Chavez didn't blink twice at Rosario's vaunted right hand. He wouldn't buckle against Frankie's right. Question is, could Randell handle Chavez' punishing attack to the head & body. like against Taylor & Rosario.
     
  9. BENNY BLANCO

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    Well to be fair Randall did eat a lot of hard punches in their first fight and still kept on trucking forward to land his own punches as well.
     
  10. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, but this still wasnt from a prime Chavez. The combinations weren't flowing as they used to. That's why Chavez was forcing his punches & thus was exposed to that strong right hand against Randall. I'm just saying , against a prime Chavez. Randall would have to endure alot more pressure to the head & body. Randall was a good, bigger strong fighter, who came along at the right time & place. His give and take style against a prime Chavez, would be a severe test for him. He didn't have the defensive mastery like say Whitaker to nullify Chavez' attack.
     
  11. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No i think he just came along at the right time.....Tarver vs.Jones 2 comes to mind
    as an example...
     
  12. Abdullah

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    Chavez gets a little overrated by some. I think it is possible that Frankie could have beaten him prime to prime or at least given him a rough and tough fight. I met Frankie Randall back in 2004 and he was a nice guy. I wish I had kept in touch with him, he gave me his number.
     
  13. red cobra

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    I believe that if dirty tricks hadn't been pulled that favored Chavez in that rematch, that Randal would have won by a tko and maybe even have decked JCC again in the process..there would have been no need of a third bout between the two and Randall would have been his two time conqueror. It's also possible that he would have always have had Julio's number, but maybe that would all be a moot point if justice was served in letting Meldrick Taylor get past 3 friggin' seconds by an on the ball referee and if Whitaker wasn't screwed in the Battle of the Alamo.
     
  14. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Hard to tell, Randall had the qualities that always would effect a Chavez style of fight, + the man took a great punch.

    Another fighter with that quality during JCC days was Buddy McGirt.
    That would have made a great fight aswell.
     
  15. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :nono Chavez was definitely past his prime. He was still a very good fighter and still was top 5 pfp guy but he had lost a step.

    Randall was relatively fresh for his age, as he had a few years off being in prison didnt have the wear and tear that Chavez did. Randall eventually was even better than in his first career.