Would Frazier rank ahead of Marciano had he retired after beating Ali?

Yes because marciano never faced let alone beat a fighter of Ali`s quality.

If it was all about records, rocky would be voted continously the best ever but the reason Ali wins most votes is because he beat more great fighters.

Frazier ranks above marciano for me anyway, not by much tho.

 

More great fighters?? I think Ali beat more NAMES.

In regards to great, Marciano beat Walcott, Charles, Louis and Moore.

Ali has Liston, Foreman, and Frazier. And no Ken Norton, Chuck Wepner and Terrel dont count as great fighters.

 

Ali is certainly better than anybody Marciano beat but beyond that it is Rocky all the way.

If you ranked the best people they beat combined it would look a bit like this.

1. Ali
2. Walcott
3. Charles
4. Moore
5. Old Louis
6. Quarry

 

Good points, but Ali and Foreman would never have beaten Frazier. Where would Ali's reputation have leveled off at if Frazier simply retired as his conquorer? And where would Foreman's be? if he had never beaten Frazier?

Food for thought.

My take is similar to a post by I am Legend which I recalled when I went back through the posts.

 

Would Rocky beat Foreman?

 

I don't understand the Ali ranking in that list based on the criteria you provide. The way I read it, Ali was beaten in some way....

Edit: Oops! I was thinking about Ali and Marciano.... Not Frazier and Marciano lol

 

Frazier was better than Marciano no matter how you look at it.

 

Would Frazier beat Ezzard?

 

Jerry Quarry ranks higher on heavyweight lists than archie moore does.

 

I disagre.

Moore ran rampage in the heavyweight division under Marciano. He was the clear cut No2 guy in the last part of Marcianos run as champion.

1952 Rocky Marciano, Champion

1. Jersey Joe Walcott
2. Rex Layne
3. Ezzard Charles
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6. Johnny Williams
7. Roland LaStarza
8. Heinz Neuhaus
9. Karel Sys
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1953 Rocky Marciano, Champion

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2. Ezzard Charles
3. Dan Bucceroni
4. Roland LaStarza
5. Earl Walls
6. Don Cockell
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8. Tommy Harrison
9. Bob Satterfield
10. Coley Wallace

1954 Rocky Marciano, Champion

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2. Don Cockell
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Bob Baker
5. Earl Walls
6. Heinz Neuhaus
7. Rex Layne
8. Tommy (Hurricane) Jackson
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10. Jimmy Slade

1955 Rocky Marciano, Champion

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3. Tommy (Hurricane) Jackson
4. John Holman
5. Willie Pastrano
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7. Johnny Summerlin
8. Bob Satterfield
9. Young Jack Johnson
10. Ezzard Charles

 

Jerry Quarry has a better heavyweight resume.

 

In regards to losses I hope. Sure if he had Ali on his record, thats better than any one the Rock fought. Does not matter if Quarry lost to Ali. Might as well rank Chuck Wepner over Marciano as he fought BOTH Ali and Liston.

 

Debatable.

Nino Valdez and Bob Baker were the two big boys on the block after Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles fell out of the picture. Moore beat both of them.

He was certainly a better win relative to his own era than Quarry was relative to his own era.

Having said that I can understand how you might think he was a better win.

 

Its just that jerry quarrys overall list of wins at heavyweight is more impressive than archies wins at that weight and not to mention that quarry was in the prime of his career when frazier fought him.

 

Do floyd patterson, ron lyle and eanrie shavers ring a bell?