Would Gerry Cooney dominate the divsion?

Wlad would **** Cooney up.

 

That remark has got me laughing hard!

 

Not to sound racist (well , actually i don't give a ****) , but if it wasn't for the eastern euros , there still wouldn't be a single white fighter even in the top 20 or 30. go to boxrec , look at the american flags in the top 10...do the experience.

Guys like Cooney (or any "white american" fighters) are the reasons why the term "white hope" was invented. (which is a typical american expression ). Because the white american fighter has always been the black man's favorite "can".

the same goes in almost every sports. Even in basketball , in which whites are a minority. If it wasn't for the likes of Ginobili , nowitzky , AK47 , Pau Gasol to name a few...In other words , if it wasn't for some of these "imported" players...there wouldn't be any top white basketball players. (not even nash can "represent" since he isn't american).


who was the last great white "american" fighter ? Marciano. (should we even bother to count Jerry Quarry ? )

EVEN one the most inconsistent , average & overrated white fighter of the 90's (Golota) , wasn't as hopeless as your standard so called "white hope"...i don't know what's up with american born whites. Maybe they've been so brainwashed by the media that they all develope a natural inferiority complex. maybe it ****s up their brain and are deep down , scared shitless when confronted to an "atheltic" black man ?

They're brainwashed to a point of no return imo. You can see it everyday in the media. Conditioned at a very young age. Americans even have what they call "black history month" , they're also the ones who invented the concept of "positive discrimination".

that's gotta **** up your mind after a while.

Cooney ? the guy who got embarrassed by a past prime Foreman in less than 2 rounds ?

The only white american talent that comes to mind right now is Pavlik.

 

i don't have to. I've seen it before.

 

he couldnt dominate the pathetic early 80s so why ask the question !:yep

 

I respectfully disagree for several reasons.

Cooney did not put on a great performance against Holmes. He put on a gutty, courageous performance...no better. Most reasonable observers of the fight believe that it was not even close. Cooney didn't really win more than three rounds, despite what the crazy scorecards indicated.

If Holmes had been a major puncher he could have had Cooney out in two rounds. The only reason the bout went 13 rounds is because Holmes was a tactical boxer who took his time picking Cooney apart.

Also, Cooney never beat a legitimate top 10 contender. By contrast, Vlad has beaten many legitimate top 10 contenders. That tells us something.

Cooney was not a southpaw, as you indicate. He fought orthodox his entire career.

 

american vs american competition. No outsiders. Indeed , an extremely overrated era. So overrated that most are not even concidered as "humans" by today's fans.

That's right , dare to mention names such as "muhammad ali" , "frazier" ,"Norton" , and you'd think we're talking about "gods". But that's precisely what media/hype does. It conditions the viewer into thinking the improbable.

 

I've been following boxing closely since the '70s and I'm convinced that Ali and Frazier were better than any heavyweight boxing today. As for Norton, I think he was better than all of todays guys except Vlad, and even against Vlad, Norton would have had a 50/50 chance of winning.

 

Cooney vs. anyone is always an intriguing match to consider because of the possibility that Cooney might get lucky with his lethal left hook.

 

atsch NORTON was not that good ! Shortly before fighting ALI he was in fact Koed by middleweight ! And no way in hell FRAZIER ever beats VLAD and no other version of ALI out the 67 version beats VLAD or LL when fighting at their best ! ( The 67 version of ALI beats all past and present champs in my opinion however ) cheers !:deal

 

:yep :good

 

Norton was at the beginning of his career when he lost to Jose Luis Garcia. Garcia weighed about 187 lbs. to Norton's 207 lbs., so Garcia definitely wasn't a middleweight. Garcia was known for having good punching power.

By 1973, when he met Ali for the first time, Norton had improved considerably since his bout against Garcia. In fact, in a 1975 rematch, Norton kayoed Garcia easily.

I think Frazier would have been too tenacious for Vlad. He would have forced his way inside and overwhelmed Vlad with the left hook. Frazier had exactly the style to exploit Vlad's known weaknesses.

I believe that the Ali of the 1971-75 period was still good enough to handle Vlad. Vlad might have given the '70s Ali a decent fight, but Ali still wins.

I'm a Vlad fan, too...I definitely have a high opinion of him.