Would Hatton have beaten Oscar quicker than Pac

Didn't you see the Forbes fight? I mean Damn, lol, when will you guys actually start to watch the sport rather than nuthug lol...!!!??? Damn! Dlh lost to a man who was smaller than him and he had every advantage from height to reach over PAc. Why? Being 35 had something to do with it. Do you guys think 35 year old Dlh beats Hatton at 147? I don't. What Lance said doesn't even make sense. What you are saying doesn't either.:roll:

 

Hahaha! how about stop hating and give props instead:rofl Both camps had weaknesses that could've been exploited..its just that Pac trained hard for this, while DLH got lazy...ask Valero! (whom you put high on the pedestal):hey
Its not just the age factors, It is part of it tho!, but training and discipline plays a major part in this sport..and since you're too blinded by hate, you fail to realize that DLH losing has something to do with his lack of discipline in training. Keep hating!:good

 

First of all, as I mentioned, as a general rule and without getting into specific cases, size means weight in boxing.

That's not controversial. It's generally accepted.

Divisions are set out in weight classes, not height classes.

A weigh-scale is used the day before, and not a tape measure.

So when I (if you don't like the WE ****) say boxer A is bigger than boxer B, in generall, I mean that A he weighs more, and that B is the smaller man.



In regard to the specific case in question, the expectation was that Oscar would dehydrate to make the last bit of weight (as 99 % or more of non-heavyweight boxers do) and then rehydrate between weigh-in and fight.

Manny would be expected to come in close to what he did for the Diaz fight, and he did (148.5).

Oscar was expected to come in at around 155-160, and therefore be the bigger man in the ring.

He didn't.

Instead he came right down to 145-146 in training. No dehydration. he came down to that as a walking around weight in the days before the fight.

So after weigh-in, as he had NOT dehydrated to make weight, there was nothing to Rehydrate to.

And so he came in, as Manny did, close to what he weighed 30hours earlier.

in fact he came into the ring 1.5 lbs less than Manny.

Hence he was the smaller man by any sense of the word Smaller.

'Water weight' was not a factor here.

 

i just don't know how some fans can hold so much hate for such a great person in and out of the ring like pac. i hope it ultimately doesn't have something to do with race. pac not only represents his own country but is also a great ambassador of the sport we all love.

 

just look at them both and see whos bigger. common sense dude

 

Actually, by the rules of the governing bodies, it is.

Height, Girth, bone structure, quality of character, toughness...

...are all interesting things to ponder.


But ,as you so contra-factually put it, weight IS the only basis to determine size.

 

You love the idiot word, Newbie.

you must be looking into a mirror too.

Again, at weigh-in, the officials don't "look at them both" and decide from there.

They weigh them.

That's right.

They put them both on a scale and make sure neither one is too big for the category.

By too big, they mean too heavy.

On fight night, manny was, by a slight margin, the bigger man.

 

Agreed to this. That's why we have weight divisions as limits per class. BUT! if we're talking about being Naturally Bigger, Then it's stupid to say it was PAC...being heavier by a lb can be as simple as drinking a litre of water before the fight.

 

Technically:deal

 

You probably thought Dlh would destroy PAc and are talking after the fact lol. You see, I saw Forbes...a man with 6 ko's break Oscar's eye socket. I saw Dlh not fight a southpaw since Camacho. I saw Dlh being 35, and I saw PAc in his prime. It was a no brainer for me. I'm always accused of being a PAc hater when all I want to see Pac do is fight someone in their absolute prime. Those fights are totally different than guys who have fought wars and were either out or on their way out. See Duran, Chavez, Pea, Jones and many others for details. Those guys like Manny, but they know he has not faced many Juan Marquez's in their primes. He did well against Marquez early, and it seems as if his promotor got scared when Juan started to put it to PAc. His comp imo has been suspect since.

 

****in' schizo... so you can have multiple personalities then amsterdam...:-( i don't know wtf you're thinking ****** you act like an idiot and post like one... grow upatsch

 

Practically speaking, both men were the same size on fight night. The reason I pointed out that Manny was bigger was because someone mentioned that Oscar didn't impose his size. And he had no size to impose.

Water wasn't an issue here. It usually is in such cases , but in this case it wasn't. Both men were at their non-dehydrated 147 lb limit in the days before the fight. Therefore, they were of a size. (Technically, Manny was a tad bigger....and nobody drinks a liter of water going into a fight)

I made a post earlier on this fight that I will re-post:

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I need a translator. This mumbo jumbo was written similiar to Dinamita's style and sentence structure.

 

Wow...you're a great poster...but you just exposed your lack of logic and just contradicted yourself.


If you mean they are the same WEIGHT at fight night...then what's left to see as far as who is bigger...HEIGHT!

So if they are the same in every other department...Oscar is the bigger man because he's taller...

It isn't rocket science man...just need to step away from the keyboard and stop over-analyzing...Oscar is the bigger man.

 

I thought DLH and his team would all use their brains, and take advantage of his physical advantages. They ****ed up, adding to DLH's lack of discipline in training. These were factors of how i assessed leading into the fight. You talk about Pac not fighting someone in their absolute primes, but you fail to mention that these fighters, tho un-primed, were the top dogs of the division. Not to mention future HOF's and ATG's. If Pac fought the Valeros, guzmans, sottos.. instead of the EM's, MAB, JMM's i wonder what criticism he will get from more people who know's and appreciates boxing?? i'm guessing..he ducked EM, MAB, JMM and all the other fighters you think lowly of, and opted to fight taxicab drivers...See...you are good in you're criticism, but only about the negative points you always see. How about saying somethin positive for a change? It will be much appreciated, and you will be easier to get along with, and you will be recognized more as an unbiased poster.:good