Would Hearns be the GOAT if he won a HW strap?

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  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I heard that Hearns had entertained the idea of moving up to HW to try and pull a Roy Jones. There were allegedly even conversations of him facing Tyson. We all know even the worst version of Tyson would likely splatter Hearns in 1-2 rounds tops, so let's not even go there.

    Let's say Hearns, after having managed to win a cruiserweight belt, decides to scope out the competition at heavyweight. He fought as late as 2006, remarkably winning his last fight by TKO despite being as old as dirt and several divisions above his natural weight. 1993 is around the time Hearns started dipping his feet in cruiser, but 2006 is the cut off date for finding a suitable HW opponent. Let's look at some of the potential belt holders within these years.

    Hoylfield
    Bowe
    Bruno
    Seldon
    Morrison
    McCall
    Moorer
    Foreman
    Lewis
    Rahman
    Byrd
    Ruiz
    Sanders
    Brewster
    Wladmir
    Valuev
    Vitali

    For the skilled but fragile Hearns, we can immediately eliminate several of the names listed. The only ones I think he has a prayer against would be Ruiz, Byrd, an old past his prime Hoylfield, Seldon, and maybe Valuev. Ruiz and Byrd lack both destructive power and aggression in their styles, Hoylfield in the late 90's was going life and death with guys who didn't belong in the same ring as him, Seldon was inconsistent and fairly beatable, and Valuev didn't bring a whole lot to the table outside of his raw size and chin imho.

    You be the judge. Can you envision a scenario where Hearns manages to beat even one HW belt holder? And if so, would that make him the greatest going from welterweight all the way to heavyweight winning titles in each division along the way? Obviously beating someone like Byrd, Ruiz, or Valuev isn't the most glamourous thing to have on your resume, but we're talking about a guy who was lanky and thin at 147. I just mean in terms of historical achievements.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    If would boost his legacy a bit ( and depending largely on who he beat for a belt. ) but not sure if it would be enough to take him to number one
     
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  3. Journeyman92

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    No I don’t think so, I also think Valuev would accidentally KO Hearns with a jab. The man was immense in size, while not hugely powerful he doesn’t even need to be special to KO Hearns as a HW of his size.
     
  4. Journeyman92

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    I think it’d be more damaging to the HW he beats legacy then an improvement upon his own.
     
  5. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I do not think winning the heavyweight crown would have made Hearns number one. I do think that if Hearns had the chin of Muhammad Ali he would have beaten Leonard and Hagler and may have ended up as a legit contender for number one.
     
  6. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

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    Would've been a great win (depending on who he beat) but he's just too far away from guys like Armstrong, Langford, Charles, etc for the win to make him #1.
     
  7. Journeyman92

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    I don’t think his chin was bad I think he was drained to hell. A man who took shots at CW and started at JWW? (I don’t remember) can’t be considered chinny. Kronk was ahead of the game with weight draining, Gman, Moorer and Hearns. Tommy was as much a “weight bully” as all the other guys that cop flack for it in my opinion.
     
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  8. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From the last fun thread to this fun thread .....
    Hearns never settled into one weight ..... after WW .. he was going up and down in weight for at least 7 years ... that is incredibly hard on the body .. he never settled in at 160 either ... He fought plenty of guys bigger and/or stronger than him
    Ray Leonard, Hagler, Barkley, Sutherland, etc
    I dont think Hearns is a weight Bully ... he was just all over the map .
    I dont think hes chinny either ...
    He just tried to take on the Boxing world at any weight ... Bring it on !!
     
  9. Saintpat

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    LaMotta was the original weight bully, picking on mostly welterweights while he’d waddle into the ring at 165 or so. That’s what catchweights originally meant — you come in at whatever weight you want and I’ll come in at whatever weight I want.

    But I don’t consider Hearns a weight bully … at least not during the portion of his career when they still had same-day weigh-ins. If you make the weight and you aren’t beefing up two divisions overnight so you’re just ridiculously bigger than your opponent, you’re just a guy who cut a lot of weight to make the agreed-upon limit.

    If Tommy was coming in at 147 (wasn’t he 145 for Leonard?) and he’s like 150 in the ring, not exactly a big deal. His opponent is probably a pound or two heavier after eating, too.

    When you get into IVs and such … that’s a different kettle of fish.
     
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  10. Journeyman92

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    To me I think Hearn's would've been a 160lbs-175lbs fighter without Kronk and more modern means.
     
  11. Journeyman92

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    Not to deduct anything from your good point, But you've got a grudge on LaMotta? you bring it up every weight thread. LOL
     
  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it’s worth pointing out. He should be known for it.

    A lot of people haven’t read every thread or they’re newer around here and they’ve taken in that LaMotta was some legendary fighter and should know he was beating up guys two divisions smaller in many cases.
     
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  13. Vic The Gambler

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    Accidentally KO Hearns with a jab haha! I gotta admit, that made me chuckle. I can totally see it too!
     
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  14. Vic The Gambler

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    I love Tommy…the guy almost had it all. He could box, he could bang, he could move, he was destructive. And he had the body type and frame that could carry most weights very well. The man was extraordinary.
    The only thing lacking was ATG punch resistance/chin, call it what you like. And therefore…like RJJ…he’d have to choose a HW opponent carefully as the OP says.

    I’d love to have seen him against an old and fading Holyfield…I really don’t know who takes this one, but I reckon it would be very entertaining!
     
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  15. Frankus

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    If he had beat SRL in their first bout and gone on to win a HW strap, then yes. He would be in the conversation.

    At HW I think he can beat Ruiz, Seldon, Byrd and has at least a 50/50 chance against Bruno, Rahman, Brewster and Sanders.

    Just my opinion and it is common knowledge IDKSAB.