Would Holmes Have Stopped Joe Bugner?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Feb 19, 2025.


Could Holmes stop Bugner?

  1. Yes definitely

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Probably not

    100.0%
  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    28,568
    34,589
    Jan 8, 2017
    15 rounds
    Would/could Larry stop Joe Bugner?
     
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,101
    5,214
    Mar 22, 2015
    I think probably not.
    Joe would have went into safety mode pretty early in proceedings and Larry would have had to have eked out a pretty boring UD.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    10,333
    14,776
    Jul 2, 2006
    No.

    Bugner went the distance with Frazier once and Ali twice as well as Ron Lyle once.

    It took an exceptional puncher like Shavers to stop a post prime Bugner. And Holmes is no Shavers in terms of power.

    The hard hitting Bruno stopped a well past it Bugner but Aussie Joe was old and Holmes never hit as hard as Bruno.

    Ali stopped Foreman, Liston, Lyle and Bonavena, all four of whom were highly durable. Holmes never stopped a fighter as durable as Bonavena or Foreman. People here often regard Holmes as harder hitting than Ali which i have always found absurd. Based on what?

    If Frazier couldn't stop Bugner with his big left hook and Lyle couldn't stop him with his big right hands, and Ali couldn't stop him with his underrated power and superior combinations, than Holmes definitely isn't stopping him.

    Bugner was appearently tko'd in his debut but he was a kid then. We are talking prime here.

    No way does Holmes stops prime Bugner. Not a chance.
     
    Paul McB, Pugguy, Turnip mk3 and 4 others like this.
  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,972
    8,243
    Jul 17, 2009
    Good post and I concur. And it has to be said that the Shavers stoppage over Joe was from a cut even though he dropped Joe briefly.
     
    Pugguy, Turnip mk3, Fergy and 2 others like this.
  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

    10,292
    17,621
    Jan 6, 2017
    Hell no. Ali couldn't do it in 2 attempts. Frazier, Foster, Cooper, and Lyle couldn't and they hit significantly harder than Holmes.

    On top of having a good chin and defensive skills, Bugner knew how to survive. I can't fathom Holmes stopping him outside of a freakish cut.
     
    Levook, Fergy and dmt like this.
  6. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,979
    3,429
    Nov 26, 2020
    Probably not. Joe could take punishment.
     
    Levook, Turnip mk3 and Fergy like this.
  7. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,864
    4,955
    Dec 31, 2018
    He could, but I wouldn’t pick him to, even Joe Frazier couldn’t do so who most likely had the better style and attributes to do so.
     
    Levook and Fergy like this.
  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,541
    29,670
    Jan 14, 2022
    Good versions of Ali couldn't do it and Frazier couldn't do it either so I would say unlikely no.

    The only fighter who really got to Bugner was Shavers but Holmes is nowhere near on the level of Shavers regarding single punch power.
     
    Levook, Fergy and dmt like this.
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    28,568
    34,589
    Jan 8, 2017
    Which in itself would be an achievement, cos early on especially not many lasted the full course with Larry.
     
    Levook likes this.
  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,541
    29,670
    Jan 14, 2022
    I think one aspect that isn't talked about much in regards to Holmes's reign is that he had 15 stoppages in world title fights which is a good ratio.
     
    Levook and Fergy like this.
  11. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,417
    7,664
    Jan 13, 2022
    Aussie Joe is a live dog
     
    Fergy likes this.
  12. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    10,333
    14,776
    Jul 2, 2006
    To be fair some of those defenses came against the likes of Leon Spinks and Marcus Frazier.
     
    JohnThomas1 likes this.
  13. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,417
    7,664
    Jan 13, 2022
    Marvin.
     
    Levook and Fergy like this.
  14. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

    10,333
    14,776
    Jul 2, 2006
    Sorry i meant Marvis.
     
    Levook, Fergy and ThatOne like this.
  15. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,417
    7,664
    Jan 13, 2022
    My bad. Lol@me.
     
    Levook, dmt and Fergy like this.