Would Holyfield Have A Chance Against Sonny Liston?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Hydraulix, Aug 15, 2010.


  1. EverLast

    EverLast Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what a bull**** post
     
  2. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    He sure did not but there is a first time for everything... he wasn't fighting guys named Sonny Liston either.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    No. Actually, it's 100% accurate. We dont know who was on steroids and who wasn't, and steroids have been around in sports since the 40s/50s.
    Those are facts.
     
  4. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tough one. I could make an argument for either of them winning but it's mainly down to Holyfield and his approach to the fight. I say this because I've seen more of Holyfield for a start and my opinion is that he's more versatile in a tactical sense or at least more likely to go into the fight with a plan rather than just getting in shape and doing what he does. I've seen Liston box and I've seen him brawl (video I mean, he died before I was born) but I don't think he was the type of guy to plan a strategy. I cite the Ali fights as examples-I would have told Liston to let it be a dull fight, use your longer jab and try to force Ali to lead and set him up for counters, he didn't and didn't try to in two fights, he rushed and tried to get him out of there.

    Now Liston is and should be considered the puncher out of the two and maybe the stronger man. Stats can be decieving so let's just assume they're the same size-there's not much in it anyway and again stats are often incorrect.
    What I think is the obvious argument or the general forum argument if you will, is that if Holyfield fights Liston he loses but if he boxes in and out and somewhat aggressively he wins. Obvious but wrong, imo. I see the exact opposite. IMO if Holyfield stands up to Liston he gets the better of him, if he employs the kind of tactics he did against Foreman he takes too many jabs and loses a decision. Holyfield is a guy I still see as unstoppabe-even though he was by Bowe (Toney fight doesn't count). It was an abberation.

    Summary: Holyfield wins a fight, Liston wins a boxing match.
     
  5. skidd1

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    Bit late on this but this is my call
    I have this one for Holyfield.
    Physically Liston has the greater reach but height wise,weight wise and strength wise there's not a lot in it.
    Liston is the bigger puncher but Holyfield has a geat chin. Bowe is the only man to knock him out.
    Holyfield is the better boxer ,fought better fighters and beat better fighters
    It has been mentioned he could struggle against long jabs .That would be Bowe and Lewis.The key there is they were quick powerful jabs.Liston has a powerful jab but not that quick .
    Holyfield had fewer problems with the slower jabs of Thomas,Dokes ,Holmes and Foreman .So I can see him working his way through that.
    To those predicting a Liston KO. Who did Liston knockout that was in Holyfields class?
    He cant rely on the intimidation factor as Holyfield has never been prone to that
    Then we move on to heart and determination .Holyfield has never been found wanting .Liston clearly has
    Their records in World Title fights just do not measure up and whilst that's not an exact science for saying x beats y I really cant see a Liston win.
    Good fight though:thumbsup