Would Holyfield have survived a beatdown from Tokyo Douglas?

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  1. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    The most an unmotivated, under prepared Tyson managed was 10 rounds against Douglas. What about Holyfield though? He cam take a bunch based on the Foreman and Bow fights, but he seems not to be able to withstand punishment quite as well as Tyson could.
     
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  2. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Holyfield isn't showing up unmotivated and underprepared. While he might get a Japanese hooker or two the night before, he's not staying up late, and he's not drinking or doing drugs. So, odd premise.

    2. Can't withstand punishment as well as Tyson? Remind me again how both of them fared against Lennox Lewis? ;)

    As to fighting Tokyo Douglas, that's a rough fight for anyone, but he's not going to make the same mistakes Tyson did. Even if he loses, it's not going to be some beatdown.
     
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  3. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    He took way more punishment from much harder punchers FFS
     
  4. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When he was roided to the gills, not when he was younger.

    Tyson was drugged and washed up when he faced Lewis, Holyfield was still in good shape when he did, roided to the gills.
     
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What beatdown? Even in 1990 Holy could have beaten Douglas.

    Douglas put on a performance that came across a lot like a third rate Larry Holmes. Mike's mental and post-partying physical gifts were significantly diminished at this stage, this was a far cry from even the guy who wasted Carl Williams. Granted, it still looks terrible on Mike's record, no avoiding that. Doesn't change the fact.

    Best Douglas could hoped for with 1988 Mike was getting stopped in 6.

    Holy would have caught up Buster in 10 at the very outside.
     
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  6. PittSteel

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    He wouldn't have to take a beating, as he would have soundly outboxed any version of Douglas.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes he would have survived and still likely won
     
  8. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    He was always on gear
     
  9. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    The agenda surfaces. Angry Birds is your alt I take it?
     
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  10. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holy can take a beatdown as good as anyone so let's say hypothetically he has an off night I'm sure he can survive whatever Douglas has to offer.
     
  11. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    No beatdown, but a decent fight. Douglas was fully motivated, very determined, fully focused and on top of his game. Holyfield would also have been the same. So all those things being equal, I would go for a Holyfield win that night on the grounds that he was the superior fighter. UD Holy…or at worst, MD.
     
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  12. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Really, you do not think Douglas was excellent in form, strategy, motivation, size, adjustments vs. Tyson?
    Tyson was dissipated then, but I think peak/for that one fight Douglas was like a FIRST rate Larry Holmes!
     
  13. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Evander that stopped sloppy Douglas also beats Tokyo Douglas............
     
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  14. James Page

    James Page Active Member banned Full Member

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    Tyson wasn't at his best, but he wasnt how you described him. He still fought his *** off in that fight.

    I think Tokyo Tyson still wiped out most of not all of the HW division of that night.

    Anyways, I still think Holy beats Tokyo Douglas, might just get dragged into an all out war in the process.

    All cliches aside, Tokyo Douglas and the Douglas Holy KOd 3 weeks later were still the same guy. Sure Douglas was out of shape, but he was still the same guy, coming off a KO win over Tyson. I've never bought the narrative that fighter A on one night is completely different than on any other given night.

    Fighters age. They come in and out of shape, but they're still the same guy inside
     
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  15. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield beats even that version of Douglas...