Would Ike Ibeabuchi give Ali a harder fight than Foreman/Liston/Frazier/Norton did?

Likewise, we'll just agree to disagree on that one.

 

Ike Ibeabuchi is the second greatest heavyweight ever after SNV! I said it!

 

This is my take, too.

 

fair enough these H2H are simply guesswork anyway but something we can agree on is that Ali would beat Ike no matter what right

 

Yes, Ali would win, I'm pretty sure.

 

Vitali has faced considerable better overall opposition than Ike and had much more consistent success over ranked competition. Outside of Byrd and Tua, his best name is punching bag Calvin Jones.

Fat or not, Samuel Peter was coming off a string of wins over than contenders and belt holders in Toney, McCline, and Oleg; recognized as the number #2 behiind Wlad. Vitali coming back from a 4 year injury ridden lay off to shut him out and be the first and only to stop him is pretty damn impressive.

Going into theie bouts with Ike, Tua and Byrd were still cleaning out their fellow prospects. Really on the same level as Arreola going into the Vitali fight. Lower tier top 10 fighters but without any really experience beyond the fringe.

 

McCline knocked Peters down 3 times, and argubably deserved a draw. Toney was blantantly robbed in the first fight, not to mention he was a 38 year old fat former middleweight. Oleg Maskaev was near 40 years old, and considerably past his prime despite holding the WBC belt. he looked atrocious against Peter Okhello in his last defense.


Don't ever compare Samuel Peter to Undefeated Prime Versions of David Tua and Chris Bryd. Far Far better wins, quality wise, than anything Vitali ever mustered. To even mention fat Arreola to Tua and Bryd is preposterous.

 

Ike Ibeabuchi is the combination of Foreman, Liston and Frazier. Thus he demolishes Ali in one round like the true proven ATG that he is.

Seriously though, Ike gets outboxed all the way and taken to school. 5'10 David Tua and Chris Byrd are not a prime Ali.

 

-McCline is tough when game but he gassed. Well, fat old middle weight Toney was still a solid contender having trashed old Holyfield, drew with Rahman, and scored an unofficial win over Ruiz. Old Oleg still managed to KO a fit and game Rahman in the best performance of his career. Peter's reputation was also built on a strong outing against Wlad.

-Going into the Ike fights, Byrd's most notable bouts was against trial horses like Purrity, Cooper, and Thunder. Tua had built his reputation by knocking out other prospects and dare say no hopers at this time, Ike was expected to be another one.

-And Your kidding yourself. Tua, Byrd, and Arreola were all running the prospect and trial horse gauntlet at this stage of their career, very marginal difference in quality. Now the Peter that faced Vitali was a belt holder and the recognized number two in the world with decent names under his belt.

 

Mccline has failed time and time again at a world class level. Still, he knocked peter down 3 times, and nearly outpointed him. he outslugged peter. He was nearly 38 years old too.

So peter was only able to go 1-1 against old fat middleweight toney. Nice.

Do not confuse the Oleg who fought rahman with the one who fought Peter. The Oleg who fought Peter was coming off a 16 month layoff at nearly 40 years of age.

Eddie Chambers also beat Peter

1. Bryd at 27-0 and Tua at 26-0 were in their primes when they fought Ike. True or false?

If True,


2. Bryd and Tua in there primes were clearly better than anyone Vitali ever beat. True or False?

 

back to the thread...

I think Ali beats ike by unanimous decision. I can't see Ike getting stopped. He has a great chin and great stamina.

 

People forgot that he didn't looked so good against Byrd and even was shooked once, until he landed his wild swing.

 

"Mccline has failed time and time again at a world class level. Still, he knocked peter down 3 times, and nearly outpointed him. he outslugged peter. He was nearly 38 years old too."

Still a much more credible opponent than anyone Byrd beat prior to the Ike fight, Tua as well unless you want to romantize his win over the still developing Ruiz.


"So peter was only able to go 1-1 against old fat middleweight toney. Nice."

He was 2-0. The first fight was close and could have gone either way, the rematch was a near shut out. Geez, your picking up bad habits from the Marciano haters with this old fat middleweight nonsense, if a fighter is beating and competiting with top 10 heavies...than a credible heavyweight contender he is.


"Do not confuse the Oleg who fought rahman with the one who fought Peter. The Oleg who fought Peter was coming off a 16 month layoff at nearly 40 years of age."

He was as ponderous and plodding as ever..seriously the guy was thought to be washed up prior to the Rahman rematch.

"Eddie Chambers also beat Peter"

And a very good win for him.


"1. Bryd at 27-0 and Tua at 26-0 were in their primes when they fought Ike. True or false?

If True,"

Physical prime, but both inexperienced at the world class level.

 

A prime David Tua would have ko'ed, as in slaughtered, either Peter or Arreola within 5 rounds.

 

although I did not see enough of IKE, I can say that Ike would not have been an easy fight for Ali..Ali was a great fighter but most of his opponents have been magnified and enlarged. There are a lot of fighters today that would trouble him. I think Ali wins a decision over Ike but I think Ike would present more of a problem than the slow heavyweight that Ali beat like Lyle, Mac Foster and Foreman and Liston this was the best of the bunch and Ike did show he took a solid shot . Norton was a foil for Ali because of his rhythm breaking style but Ken would have carried his weakness into every era where the champ had a pressure style and a punch. Ali was the best of the 2 decades but lets face it most of his other opponents were cannon fodder and when he stepped it up he did not dominate. Ike is a tough fight for Ali among many of his contemporary's