Would Jack Dempsey KO a prime Oliver McCall?

You make ko'ing McCall, actually fully ko'ing McCall sound easy Burt. With but single punches to boot. Incredible.

Why can't you accept what history shows us, that McCall can take a punch?!?!?! Are the fighters he's taking them off (Tyson, Lewis, Bruno etc, etc) too modern to be taken seriously?

What is your opinion of the gloves Dempsey wore vs say the ones Lewis wore?

A new cult figure? Just because some think he and his sensational durability could weather Dempsey? The sheer audacity of us.

What happens when McCall lands the shot he dropped Lewis with? McCall isn't one of these big useless gumbies from yore. i'd love to see him one punch ko'd by a cruiser.

Much of the forum come to the conclusion Dempsey is massively overrated when it was fully dissected about 100 times quite some time back. Nothings changed.

 

i doubt he could knock mccall out. mccall was like a piece of rock.
dempsey might make him quit though. or probably just win on points

 

LOL, Dempsey has to be careful not to be ko'ed...............as a matter of fact, I don't think he will last the distance with McCall.....he iced a prime Lewis with one shot, Dempsey has never ever faced a fighter like Lewis. FACT...and in the rematch straight out of CokeCrackville he took flush Lemmie rights with his hands down.....I saw him spar LIVE with Tyson, he ain't no bum just not the most focused boxer you can find.

I am also convinced that McCall would beat all of Dempseys opponents.......

 

No he wouldn't.

We're talking about a man who, fresh out of rehab, refused to defend himself against a prime lennox lewis and despite taking solid bombs he never looked hurt (physically that is, emotionally he was a mess)

Dempsey was great, but not as great as lewis. Nor was he as powerful as lewis.

 

If history has shown one thing, it is that a strong chin always outlasts a big puncher - in the sense that no one gets knocked down. Shavers vs Cobb, Bruno vs McCall, Foreman vs Chuvalo, Lewis vs Mavrovic, Tyson vs Tucker, etc etc. McCall has taken shots from punchers bigger and heavier than Dempsey, so I'm pretty sure he'd stay upright.

 

JT, as I have posted prior,when I say that anyone that Dempsey was able to hit,"he ko's ", ala Jess Willard, implies a tko stoppage by the referee.
The vast majority of ko's are when the ref stops a bout to save a boxer from permament damage,as opposed to being rendered unconscious....
Furthermore, I may be "audacious" as you put it to think that Jack Dempsey was a monster threat to STOP anyone he could hit solidly. Well
if I still believe this statement to be true, I am on the side of so, so, many writers and boxers of his time, who saw him flatten tough big men 30-60 pounds heavier than he in short order...
The difference between I,and many many posters who believe that Jack Dempsey was the reincarnation of Paul Malinaggi, is that I have faith in
what some of the greatest boxing mind's of Dempsey's reign and AFTER,
saw and declared, that at his 1919-23 best he was a force to be reckoned with ... And respectfully JT, my contention is that those people who "eyeballed" the Manassa Mauler and extolled him, are closer to the truth as to his true ability's...So ,do I think that Oliver McCall could take a great punch ? Yessir...Do I think that the Dempsey of Toledo,could STOP McCall
with his vicioius attack ? Hell YES... Cheers...

 

No.

 

C, when I say ko, it implies a stoppage by the ref much more likely than a complete loss of consciousness.
It would help if some posters on ESB read the works of Bob Edgren, a great writer of boxing history who wrote many articles on Jess Willard's ability to take monstrous shots on the button, and shake them off from big heavy hitters of that time. Maybe,reading this observers articles [B.E.] would change some posters minds as to the power of Dempsey who massacred big Jess....:good

 

You might have to start using "tko" Burt. KO is not what you are using it as.

 

Maybe your'e right. But JT the usage ko implies stoppage one way or another. Joe Jeanette and Sam McVey dropped each other 30 or more times, before the ref stopped the bout. Some guys just don't lose consciousness, but are in danger of permanent injury. Witness Ironman Joe Grim...:hi:

 

A KO is failure to beat the count or being down and so bad the ref doesn't even count, basically. A TKO is more a stoppage on your feet, ref or doc say. A ko is not a stoppage on your feet.

 

Would Jack have 'KOd' Willard if he had the neutral corner rule to abide by? His most sickening landed punches were definitely the ones where Jess was lying with his arm around the ropes IMO

 

Mc, thanks for the info pertaining to Uzcudun...Many many moons ago I met a chef at Freddie Fitzimmons bowling alley in NY. He the chef worked there and he was a Basque boyhood friend of Paolino Uzcudun. He showed us photos of he and Uzcudun, and related that story of the mighty right hand that starched his close friend Uzcudun who incidentally won a TWENTY ROUND dec. over Max Baer in 1931, absorbing dozens of Baer's best shots.
Watching the one-two that Dempsey kod Luis Firpo in the second rd in 1923,has left such an indelible impression on me and others, that has never left me. He Dempsey hit so fast that today watching these two blows
even in slow motion is HARD to detect, but we see the RESULTS.
Check it out ESB...Cheers Mc...

 

I doubt it, McCall was not the most skilled of heavyweights nor the greatest puncher but he has been known to take a great punch, he sparred with Tyson and many. McCall is a big strong guy and can do everything good enough, he did KO Lennox but so did Rahman but he nailed Lennox with a excellent shot. I feel he would lose and get hit often vs Dempsey but would lose a competitive UD

 

On the flip side of the coin, they might have stopped the fight before Willard was beaten witin an inch of his life in an era with the neutral corner rule.