Would jack johnson style work today

More non-sense. How can holmes rate above the guy who was in line for the belt according to the wbc. If what you sy is true, explain why wbc gives the #2 contender the belt and not the #1 holmess, makes no sense at all. You are only embarassing yourself with such senseless lies.

 

Those are the RING rankings for those years ,look them up ******.
You said and I quote," Holmes was a nobody before he fought Norton."

Holmes was top ten rated from.
1976 no6
1977 no3
1978 no1
1979 no1 This shows you are at best a fool ,at worst a liar.Possibly both.

 

Ipayforleavingnot,,,,,,YOU again did not answer the questions, changing this time the question! I said in my post #277 that "I beleave Larry Holmes set the record for,,,,,Heavyweight champions" You wrongly responded by saying "Wrong, lots of guys, etc." I have repeatedly asked you specifically what heavyweight champions beat more undefeated contenders and you finally respond with lighheavyweight and middleweight records. You need to actually read what your disputing before making your continued wrong postings. Now will your respond to what you said was wrongly posted about Larry setting the record for Heavyweight champions, and no more squirrling out of it.

Change what you said?? I put up the posting number so anyone can go read what you said word for word and why several of us called you on your wrong statements,,,,,,Now your trying to change whats there in quotes by you. Man, you are one slick willy sliding back and forth trying to never own up to your made up postings.

 

Timmers you said

Are you now trying to lie about what you said? I said wrong there are guys who beat way more and archie moore is a heavyweight. I quoted you specifically and you deny what you said, your an embarassment to yourself. Go read what you wrote you blindo.

 

Holmes was only #1 contender at the end of 1978, after Ali regained crown. Norton was rated higher until they fought. In fact, when Spinks became champ in '78, Larry was rated 4th behind Ali, Norton and Young.

 

I know I've laid it out.In response to IPFL who states Holmes was unknown until he beat Norton whereas he was top ten rated for 4 years .But he won't address that.

 

Yes, surely it is logical to summise that Larry was #1 with the WBC for the Norton fight, even if somebody didn't know, hence the title shot.

 

Up and coming contenders don't fight for the worlds hwt championship. Holmes credentials of beating Norton, Ali and Shavers easily trumps anything Tate and Knotzee did at any time in their career. Neither Tate or Knotzee were ever rated above Holmes. You are lost as lost can be. Holmes certainly is considered lineal champion by every noted boxing historian I am aware of. His credentials speak for themselves. Today Tate, Knotzee, names are all lost in time because quite simply...they were not good hwts. Holmes is considered top 10 all time great. Name one historian that names Tate as lineal champion.

 

Cyber boxing lineal hwt champions....

Champion Nickname Reign
John L. Sullivan The Boston Strong Boy 1885-1892
James J. Corbett Gentleman Jim 1892-1897
Bob Fitzsimmons Ruby Robert 1897-1899
James J. Jeffries The Boilermaker 1899-1905, retired
Marvin Hart The Fightin' Kentuckian 1905-1906
Tommy Burns The Little Giant of Hanover 1906-1908
Jack Johnson Lil' Arthur 1908-1915
Jess Willard The Pottawatomie Giant 1915-1919
Jack Dempsey The Manassa Mauler 1919-1926
Gene Tunney The Fighting Marine 1926-1928, retired
Max Schmeling The Black Uhlan of the Rhine 1930-1932
Jack Sharkey The Boston Gob 1932-1933
Primo Carnera The Ambling Alp 1933-1934
Max Baer The "Livermore Larruper" 1934-1935
James J. Braddock The Cinderella Man 1935-1937
Joe Louis The Brown Bomber 1937-1949, retired
Ezzard Charles The Cincinnatti Cobra 1949-1951
"Jersey" Joe Walcott Jersey Joe 1951-1952
Rocky Marciano The Brockton Blockbuster 1952-1956, retired
Floyd Patterson The Rabbit 1956-1959
Ingemar Johansson Ingo 1959-1960
Floyd Patterson The Rabbit 1960-1962
Charles "Sonny" Liston The Black Bear 1962-1964
Cassius Clay The Louisville Lip 1964-1970, retires
Joe Frazier Smokin Joe 1970-1973
George Foreman .Big George 1973-1974
Muhammad Ali The Greatest 1974-1978
Leon Spinks Neon Leon 1978
Muhammad Ali The Greatest 1978-1979, retires 6/79
Larry Holmes The Easton Assasin 1980-1985
Michael Spinks The Spinks Jinx 1985-1988
Mike Tyson Iron Mike 1988-1990
James "Buster" Douglas Buster 1990
Evander Holyfield The Real Deal 1990-1992
Riddick Bowe Big Daddy 1992-1993
Evander Holyfield The Real Deal 1993-1994
Michael Moorer Double M 1994
George Foreman Big George 1994-1997
Shannon Briggs The Cannon 1997-1998
Lennox Lewis The Lion 1998-2001
Hasim Rahman The Rock 2001
Lennox Lewis The Lion 2001-2004, retired
Wladimir Klitschko Dr. Steelhammer (2009-Present)

 

Sports illustrated also lists Holmes as lineal champion...no mention of Tate, Weaver, Thomas or any of the paper champions.

 

Ring magazine lineal champions since they have presented their belt...

Heavyweight[edit source]

Number Champion Reign
29 Wladimir Klitschko June 20, 2009–present
28 Vitali Klitschko April 24, 2004 - November 9, 2005
27 Lennox Lewis 2002 - February 6, 2004 (Retired)
26 Evander Holyfield October 25, 1990 - Oct. 1990
25 James Douglas February 11, 1990 - October 25, 1990
24 Mike Tyson June 27, 1988 - February 11, 1990
23 Michael Spinks September 21, 1985 - June 27, 1988
22 Larry Holmes October 2, 1980 - September 21, 1985
21 Muhammad Ali September 15, 1978 - October 2, 1980
20 Leon Spinks February 15, 1978 - September 15, 1978
19 Muhammad Ali October 30, 1974 - February 15, 1978
18 George Foreman January 22, 1973 - October 30, 1974
17 Joe Frazier March 8, 1971 - January 22, 1973
16 Muhammad Ali February 25, 1964 - March 8, 1971
15 Sonny Liston September 25, 1962 - February 25, 1964
14 Floyd Patterson June 20, 1960 - September 25, 1962
13 Ingemar Johansson June 26, 1959 - June 20, 1960
12 Floyd Patterson (defeated Archie Moore) November 30, 1956 - June 26, 1959
11 Rocky Marciano September 23, 1952 - April 27, 1956 (Retired)
10 Jersey Joe Walcott July 18, 1951 - September 23, 1952
9 Ezzard Charles September 27, 1950 - July 18, 1951
8 Joe Louis June 22, 1937 - September 27, 1950
7 James J. Braddock June 13, 1935 - June 22, 1937
6 Max Baer June 14, 1934 - June 13, 1935
5 Primo Carnera June 29, 1933 - June 14, 1934
4 Jack Sharkey June 21, 1932 - June 29, 1933
3 Max Schmeling (defeated Jack Sharkey) June 12, 1930 - June 21, 1932
2 Gene Tunney September 23, 1926 - July 31, 1928 (Retired)
1 Jack Dempsey 1922 - September 23, 1926

Where is John Tates name?

 

Noted polls and historians top 10 ranking of hwt boxing champions. Note that Holmes is within every list.


Bert Sugar, 1991

Jack Dempsey

Joe Louis

Muhammad Ali

Jack Johnson

Gene Tunney

Rocky Marciano

Joe Frazier

Larry Holmes

Sonny Liston

Mike Tyson


Arthur Harris, 1992 (Nov 1992 Boxing Scene)

Muhammad Ali

Joe Louis

Jack Dempsey

Jack Johnson

Gene Tunney

Rocky Marciano

Larry Holmes

Jersey Joe Walcott

Joe Frazier

Sonny Liston


Nigel Collins, 1997

Muhammad Ali

Joe Louis

Evander Holyfield

Larry Holmes

George Foreman

Jack Johnson

Rocky Marciano

Joe Frazier

Jack Dempsey

Sonny Liston


Herbert Goldman, 1997

Muhammad Ali

Joe Louis

Sonny Liston

Mike Tyson

Larry Holmes

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

George Foreman

Rocky Marciano

Joe Frazier


Steve Farhood, 1997

Muhammad Ali

Joe Louis

Jack Johnson

Larry Holmes

Rocky Marciano

Jack Dempsey

Jim Jeffries

Evander Holyfield

Mike Tyson

George Foreman


BBC Sports, 2004

Muhammad Ali

Joe Louis

Jack Johnson

Larry Holmes

Jack Dempsey

Rocky Marciano

Lennox Lewis

Mike Tyson

George Foreman

Evander Holyfield


IBRO Member Poll, 2005

Joe Louis

Muhammad Ali

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

Rocky Marciano

Larry Holmes

James Jeffries

George Foreman

Sonny Liston

Joe Frazier


ESPN, 2007

Joe Louis

Muhammad Ali

Jack Dempsey

Jack Johnson

Gene Tunney

Rocky Marciano

Ezzard Charles

George Foreman

Joe Frazier

Larry Holmes


Richard O'Brien (SI Senior Editor) 2009

Muhammad Ali

Joe Louis

Sonny Liston

Larry Holmes

Jack Johnson

Jack Dempsey

George Foreman

Joe Frazier

Rocky Marciano

Lennox Lewis


Please list the noted historians who do not rate Holmes in their top 10.

 

*As Ipay indicated repeatedly that no one with credible boxing knowledge would have Larry anywhere close to a top ten spot, and as Houdini validated numerous ones that in fact have, it shows the shoot from the hip with no research habit of this poster. Its the same with the questions I repeatedly have asked him to answer concerning responses he has given on boxing matters.

 

Go to post 277 and read the originial,,,It reads "I beleave Larry set the record for-heavyweight champions", then go to your response, 288, where you put up what I wrote, it again says "heavyweight champions", to which you will read your response that says, "Wrong, there are guys who beat way more then that." Then when pressed again to write out the names of the heavyweight champions you claimed beat more then 8 you wrote in post number 293, "As for Larry beating the most undefeated guys when,,,HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION,," showing you understood the question asked of you was of the heavy champions. You quoted a later attempt of mine to get you to name the fighers, not the statement I made in 277 that you ,,,one more time,,,,,,said was wrong.

I have attempted time after time to get you to answer your made up statements like this one and the one where you claimed Dempsey was flash ko'd by a number of smaller heavyweights,,,,you said you meant knocked down so I then asked you for these smaller heavyweights name, your reply? Firpo whom, ahem, was larger then Dempsey. This is what you do in East Side though, you make up things as go while promoting yourself as a more knowledgable poster. So I think you have no where to fake out this time, please finally answer your statements and then also the one Houdini posted concerning who are your experts who do not rate Larry Holmes in their top ten? Still waiting.

 

He can't answer your questions. Instead he distorts them in a lame attempt to avoid them.