Would Joe Frazier Size Have Hindered Him, If He'd Come Along After The 1980s?

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  1. BCS8

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    Tyson vs Frazier

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  2. Niels Probst

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    I liked your post as I am the biggest Joe Frazier fan ever! That said, let us be realistic: No way does Joe beat either of the Klits, they are superior in everything except heart. I don't give Joe much chances vs Lewis and prime Tyson either to be frank. Joe fought big cruiserweights, furthermore, the eastern bloc boxers didn't compete in Frazier's time. Nevertheless, RIP great Joe!
     
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  3. Bokaj

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    And a very good uppercut.
     
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  4. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Meh, I'm not all that high on Vitali. He could crack and he was durable, but he was such a stiff and stationary robot. FOTC Frazier is arguably the best example of pressure fighting at Heavyweight available on film, I think he proceeds to grind Vitali to victory more often than not. Chris Byrd kept him honest before the injury, and Vitali was not as up on the scorecards as most say, it was a close fight.

    Lewis might be the worst stylistic match up for Frazier aside from Foreman, so I agree. Tyson probably overwhelms him, but Joe has a possible chance of making it through and beating him, I woudn't bet on it though. And I'm confident that the Eastern European style of Boxing is the exact kind of style that Frazier would thrive against. Relying on jabs and footwork against a swarming bison like Frazier ? Not a good idea. I'm very high on Usyk, and I think he can be competitive with most of the Heavyweight greats, but Frazier chops him down like a damn tree.
     
  5. Bokaj

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    Yeah, it have got a little bit lost in the shuffle just how relatively successful a small, featherfisted boxer was pressuring Vitaly. You'd not have expected that. Byrd had no iron jaw either. Weird how well he did. Especially compared to Peter, who was a big strong power puncher.
     
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  6. Nighttrain

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    I don't believe Joe could have finessed the modern medical exams. Of course size makes difference and witnessing Smoke being held for 15 rounds sounds like a waste of a Time Machine.
     
  7. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Big and strong was the only thing Peter had going for him, to be fair.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

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    Vitali struggled with Chris Byrd who was a small Heavyweight.

    Remind me again what's Vitali's best win ? he seems to get vastly overrated due to his losses more so than his stand out wins.
     
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  9. Bokaj

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    Peter probably. No, Vitaly's resume is pretty thin. It was more the dominance of the wins.
     
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  10. Niels Probst

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    You are on spot. There comes a time when size and brute strength matters. Frazier in the more recent times would be a world class cruiser - too small for the giant, athletic superheavyweights of today, hate to say it.
     
  11. Niels Probst

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    Very good, but I don't agree on the eastern boxers thing - believe me, they are a different breed than the northern european fighters.
     
  12. Hotep Kemba

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    "Marciano? Don't even want to think about the damage a 183 pounder with two left feet would bring to the modern boxers. He might even be able to overcome his size advantage and beat Inoue? "

    :roflmao: :roflmao::roflmao:
     
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  13. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Nah, they're overrated. it's the southern Europeans where it's at. Look at these 2 masters of their craft going at it
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  14. Hotep Kemba

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    Same height, 15lbs heavier, vastly superior hand speed, foot speed, reaction speed, power, chin, jabbing, counter punching, lateral movement, punch variety and offence in general having Mike Tyson at his peak would be picked over Joe Frazier to do better against larger opponents... Yeah he would. What's the problem here?

    Joe Frazier has a better inside game, which is uselessly nullified in the face of a 30lbs+ weight disadvantage. His stamina and willpower are superior. So his head movement would last all 12 rounds and he wouldn't quit, but as Foreman showed that doesn't really mean anything when you're so physically outmatched.

    You need ATG speed, ATG power, ATG boxing ability, an ATG chin or usually a combination of multiple to compete with people much larger than you, and Frazier had none of these attributes whilst Tyson had a few.
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    Athletic Super Heavyweights you mean like Zhang who is a plodder who gasses after 5 rounds he landed a grand total of 0 punches in round 12 vs Parker.

    Or Joyce who is slow and ponderous ?

    Apart from Usyk and Fury for his size there is no one i would say has stand out athletic attributes.

    Joshua is muscle bound but stiff and certainly not athletic in regards to his style.
     
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