Would Joe Louis and Marciano have taken Foreman`s power a well as Peralta did?

You can say the same about Foreman though - he was knocked down by Ali, Lyle and Young. None of them was close to Louis in terms of punching. Before you'll start with excuses about these KDs, keep in mind that most of Louis KDs were also flash KDs and he was rarely hurt. He also fought back hurt better than anyone.

Foreman had better chin, but he also had worse defense and was slower. It'd be very entertaining fight and both could win it, but with Louis ability to counterpunch and his record against top sluggers, I wouldn't bet on Foreman.

 

I doubt there was much difference between the power of Louis and Lyle, speed and accuracy of delivery yes, velocity no. Foreman walked right into Young's shot and was up before a count could be administered,that's the very definition of a flash kd .
Ali stopped a lot of tough chinned guys.Foreman had shot his bolt when Ali caught him.

 

Came to say this, also I think aside from Joe he was only man to have the courage for a second attempt at Foreman... just off the top of my head.

 

Foreman vs Louis is one of my favourite HW fantasy fights. Everyone has seen all of Foreman's key fights, and before I'd seen a bunch of Joe Louis, I thought that Foreman would steamroll him.

Foreman has a very very underrated ring IQ. Foreman's wide sloppy swinging was only really present when he had a guy so hurt that there was little threat of a counter-attack. Foreman worked behind a nice, heavy (albeit slow) jab, and could shorten his swings last second. He put his physical tools to use, in a very unique way, with his Olympic experience. He wasn't as open or lumbering as he'd made out to be.

However, it's not like he wasn't open or lumbering. He was much much slower than Louis and was often open to shorter shots, and fighters with the balls to stand there and throw them. Look at the Lyle fight; Ron was a huge punching, ballsy boxer-puncher who gave Foreman hell with his slight side steps, fighting off the ropes and shorter punching. Louis was better than Lyle in EVERY WAY possible. He blocked shots with his shoulders better, he fought better off the ropes and threw much quicker, sharper and overall better combinations. When he chose to, he was a much better out-boxer and he hit harder, was tougher, had better recovery powers. Foreman also hated it when he had to chase people, Young, Ali, Peralta ect. showed this.

Foreman is gonna come at Louis, since that's what he did. He's gonna shove Louis off balance, jab his way in, look to crush Louis in a similar way to how he did Frazier and he could well do it. However, I think Louis is gonna fight like a super cautious version of the Max Baer fight, and get on his bike. I think he fights on the back-foot, and let's Foreman walk onto his shots after letting him tire himself out. Possibly through a combination of jabs to the body, slipping and turning with shots and lateral movement, and counters to keep him thinking. Foreman landing is

So I pick Louis, in a tactical fight, by KO. In a fight where one wrong move causes a war or a loss.

 

I doubt there was much difference between the power of Louis and Lyle, speed and accuracy of delivery yes, velocity no. Foreman walked right into Young's shot and was up before a count could be administered,that's the very definition of a flash kd .
Ali stopped a lot of tough chinned guys.Foreman had shot his bolt when Ali caught him.

 

Peralta was a defensive spoiler with loads of backpedaling, lateral movement and holding. Some things Marciano and Louis would not do. They'd engage and consequently get hit more

 

I know that, but Louis was clearly better puncher still.
I mentioned Young KD because people think that Galento KD is important - it was a flash KD and Louis destroyed Tony quickly after that.

 

Now this is reasonable post, finally!

 

I think there's other reasonable posts here, just not ones we agree with.

It's ridiculous to act as if neither of these guys have a chance, though.

 

I wasn't fully serious with this reply

Of course both fighters would have high chance of winning. Foreman is one of my favorites and he could knock out anybody. The way he destroyed Frazier (on of the best HWs ever) is absolutely frightening. He wasn't unbeatable though and many posters here act like Louis wouldn't have any chances.

To me Joe had everything to beat Foreman - speed advantage, murderous power, smarts, good jab and versatility as an offensive fighter. I can see Foreman finally overwhelming him with his constant, educated pressure and physical strength but even if he did that, it would not be easy fight for any man.

But instead making excellent analysis (like yours) to make solid case for George, it's better to just write "Louis had weak chin and slow feet".

 

Yeah, Joe was well and truly awesome. I think he'd beat Louis, Holmes AND a prime Ali. He's pretty undermentioned H2H, although I'm pretty sure I rate him higher than most. He just doesn't have the style to beat Foreman IMO, and when he tried to replicate Ali/Young in the rematch and Foreman still hot to him, I think it was pretty conclusive proof that Foreman was just better. Although both were very past prime there.

Yeah, Louis has everything to beat Foreman, and visa versa.

I find that funny. If Louis had slow feet, then Ron Lyle had tree trunks. If Louis had a weak chin then Lyle was the HW Amir Khan. We are talking about a guy who was stopped by an old Ali. Obviously those are generalisations, but it's more or less the same logic people use to say "Louis had weak chin and slow feet".

 

Rocky takes Foremans best and rolls forward with relentless pressure battering Foreman pillar to post.

Rocky KO 8

 

This is the post that I do not take seriously. Foreman not lasting as long as Cokkell,Lastarza, and Moore !

 

Peralta was at the first Foreman fight ranked no 9 and a experienced fighter with
over a decade of fighting and 90 fights and was George biggest test to date.
Peralta showd no fear and his type of Argentinan toughness is very difficult
to ko.