Would Kenny Norton Have Maybe Troubled Fury?

But Shavers was a smaller heavyweight so it doesn't matter.

 

Wallin also won 5 rounds and stunned Fury with a left, but a better example than Wilder definitely. Wallin also had success walking Fury down in spots.

I dont agree but at least you're aware Fury would do well to keep the fight long. Been saying that

Give me Ngannous best win, I'm waiting.

And the fact is Ngannou is journeymen level. He got smoked with 0 difficulty. That had to be ajs easiest fight I've ever seen, I could care less about his size, he's beaten no one. Large journeymen existed back then too

I always said Fury could hurt him, he's not going to win walking Norton down lol that's what you said, which is quite ridiculous unless you think size is everything which would be ironic based on recent events

 

If the cruisers today aren't useless despite the small talent pool I find it a bit asinine to write the older heavyweights off because they were smaller, especially when SHWs existed back then. Fury has struggled with an old Cunningham admitted that was his hardest fight up until then and lost to Usyk. It's kind of dumb. I'm sure prime Briedis vs Fury or Opetaia vs Fury would be highly competitive.

 

Fury is best at range. I said it right at the start of the debate. Why are you acting like this is something new?

AJ would destroy Norton even more easily than Fury.

Well, maybe I'm wrong, and midgets like Garcia and Shavers are actually Norton's achilles heel. Maybe the bigger they are the easier Norton beats them. Would be an interesting turn of events, contradicting what I know about boxing and physics, but you never know.

1) quote me.
2) Fury beats Norton at range and up close.
3) I've posted 3 examples of Fury beating the stuffing out of guys in the clinch and up close. Much bigger guys than Norton it must be added, two of which hit harder than Norton. You can keep repeating your ditty but that's like claiming your soccer team won when they let in three goals and scored none.

 

Weight classes exist for a reason. Cruisers that are successful at high level are the exception.

But I guess we could talk about Golovkin vs Louis again and how Louis' glass jaw never met a guy with the KO record that GGG has.

 

One common theme of Fury’s career has been that he has shown up for the big fights.

We have so many examples of him showing up out of shape or when he is in shape, getting dropped, seriously hurt or just looking a little lack lustre.

Pajkic, Cunningham (even though he beat the living crap out of him after getting knocked down) Waillin, Wilder 3 (probably the most out of shape and worst version we’ve ever seen) Ngannou (similair to Wilder 3) yet none of these guys beat him.

Oh the flip side we have the first Chisora fight,
Wlad (the best shape he has ever been in) Wilder 1 & 2.

Hell say what you want about Dylian Whyte, who was the 4th best heavyweight in the world at this point behind Fury Uysk & Joshua.

And even in the Uysk fight, he did well enough to make it razor close and we’re talking about one of the best pound for pound fighters of his generation.

Now against Ken, you’d like to think we get that version of Fury that is in good shape and rises to the occasion, because if it’s an out of shape Fury, he’s going to really struggle to get the job done

 

Both are chinny but Norton has better defense and actually keeps his hands up, at this point I'd take Norton. That bodybuilder has no iq

That wasn't your first post

Wallin is featherfisted, Buster Mathis was 240 that doesn't mean he hit harder than Norton. Wallin was 235 against Fury. I don't think of Fury as highly as you do, I saw him cherrypick for years upon years and he still wasn't that dominant. And then he's not that durable, but he recovers well. You talk about Nortons chin but Furys been down 9 times. Even Cunningham got one in. Both have the power to hurt eachother

 

and the cruiser weights today are basically the same weight as the older heavies.

These are the guys we should be looking for direct comparison too for the older heavyweights IMO, both skillset and aesthetics on how ‘good’ they look in the ring.

Of course the best heavyweights of the 30s-80s are going to look way better on tape than Lennox, Wlad, Vitali and Fury and some of the beheamouths we have today. They were 25-70lbs lighter than them and 5-9 inches shorter back then

 

^ I'd back Norton against Fury before I backed him against AJ.

Remember this:

"Fury has always been best as a low output distance boxer in my opinion but in that fight he was not afraid to use his size and work Wilder over both at distance and inside."

[flores] he's not going to win walking Norton down lol that's what you said
[bcs8] quote me.
[flores] I'd take Fury from Wilder 2 to run over him.
So you agree that I never said that Fury was going to "walk Norton down". Good job. We are actually getting somewhere with regard to your reading comprehension.

Wallin has a KO % of about 50% which is not featherfisted. Moreover its against a bigger class of opponent than Norton faced. It's clear by now that Fury can fight just fine up close against a variety of opponents who are all larger than Norton.

Call me when Fury gets set on fire and knocked out by a 188lb fighter.

 

Wallin can't fight well on the inside. Him being bigger doesn't change that. 6'3 220 is plenty big enough to compete with Fury and hurt him based on actual boxing history.

Oh so you don't favor Fury to beat Norton up on the front foot ? Good u changed your mind

Cunningham didn't even have power at cruiserweight, there are light heavyweights now that hit harder. Garcia probably hit harder

 

I don't see why it's absurd ? Fury isn't some H2H GOAT he hasn't fought that many ranked fighters or world class fighters and hes still been down 8 times and struggled in alot of fights.

He struggled immensely vs Wallin coming close to losing that fight.

He's been dropped 4 times by Wilder coming close to losing two fights to him.

Couldn't deal with an MMA fighter in the clinches who also didn't fall for his feints.

Fury has looked very beatable in numerous fights and Norton has troubled better fighters than Fury I don't see what's so absurd about it TBH.

The Ali of the 2nd Norton fight is better than any version of Fury and that was still a very close fight, the Holmes of the Norton fight is better than any version of Fury and again that was an extremely close fight.

Norton does have some advantages over Usyk hes physically stronger, better body puncher, harder hitter.

 

Norton could pressure a boxer but not a guy with power. The Fury of Wilder 2 would take Norton out.
Range and reach would help Fury but also aggressive uppercuts and pressure, Norton could not fight backing up.
Norton could march forward with roundhouse shots and maybe catch Fury (like Cunningham did) but Tyson would not freeze or give up, Tyson pressures Norton and gets the KO or TKO stoppage.

 

Fury poses a problem for any Heavyweight in history, but Norton could be equally troublesome here. He's up to the task and potentially the value-for-money bet against Fury.

Fury's tendency to drop off in work rate and just look at his opponent for long spells could be self-defeating against someone as persistent as Norton.

Not a thriller by any stretch of the imagination - but a tit-for-tat affair, going the distance for some close scorecards.

I'd bet on whoever the bookies gave me the best price on.

 

Fact is that I've highlighted three consecutive fights against different opponents where Fury fought well on the inside and in the pocket. The obvious conclusion is that this is within his skillset and is moreover something that he can do well. If he wasn't intimidated by punchers like Wilder and Chisora then Norton certainly has nothing to scare him off with.

I stand by everything I have said including that you are a confused individual.

Fury survived Wilder, Chisora, Ngannou, all of whom hit much harder than Norton. He beat all of them. Norton didn't survive Garcia nor some other guys that sent him to the canvas for a nice nap. It's clear who the tougher, harder guy is.