Would Kenny Norton Have Maybe Troubled Fury?

Do you even read what you post ? or do you just type any random nonsense as per usual ?

Firstly Douglas had numerous notable performances between 87-90 he beat Williams, McCall, Berbick, and finally Tyson. That's 4 notable wins/performances over a 3 year period against 3 former/future or current champions. And i don't really think beating Mike Tyson in a ATG performance is comparable to beating Deontay Wilder do you ? i bet you've never even seen Douglas vs Williams either where he knocked his opponent down 3 times with a jab which is unheard of.

Secondly what a bizarre example ? Ali wasn't even at his peak in Zaire ? and he probably has about a dozen notable/stand out performances to choose from so how is that comparable to Fury ? are you ok my guy ?

Just because you type in caps and rant doesn't mean you're making a point infact your examples are total nonsense.

Norton had 50 fights compared to 34 for Fury.

Fury has had two gift decisions in his career vs Ngannou, McDermott, and fought 2 of the same opponents 6 times Chisora, Wilder, and the only other notable opponent he has beaten is Whyte since beating an ancient Wladimir in 2015.

Yeah Norton would have more losses fighting the likes of 3 ATG's in Foreman, Ali, Holmes, compared to Whyte, Chisora, Ngannou.

Norton weighed 217 pounds vs Ali in their 3rd fight he also weighed 220 pounds vs Holmes, he could easily average between 215-220 pounds so i'm not sure where you're getting "205 pounds soaking wet from".

Norton was 6'3 with an 80 inch reach and he's a similar size to Usyk except he has a 2 inch reach advantage another poorly researched point from you as per usual.

So i guess having a terrible cut and being on the verge of a stoppage loss is a comfortable win for you ? ok my guy. Anyone who saw the fight knows it was highly competitive with Wallin winning numerous rounds.

"Anxious moments for Tyson Fury, who was badly cut over the right eye in round three and stunned in round 12 by Otto Wallin, whose 127 landed punches were the most by a Fury opponent in 15 of his fights tracked by CompuBox."

Take note of "anxious moments" and "127 landed punches were the most by a Fury opponent in 15 of his fights tracked by CompuBox"

But keep deflecting and replying with silly sarcastic remarks it suits your personality which is a "clown"

Yeah i'm sure you do because i speak a whole lot more sense than you do despite being much younger.

You don't even know about Douglas's red hot 3 year streak between 87-90 prior to facing Tyson and compared beating Tyson to Wilder that in itself says it all.

You brought up Ali in Zaire ? in an attempt to compare him to Fury ? when there's no relevance in that comment what so ever.

You poorly researched Norton's weight when infact he's weighed a very similar size to Usyk and has a longer reach.

You're also the same guy that once thought Gennady Golovkin could beat Joe Louis so yeah i definitely take you seriously mate "not".

And that's me done interacting with you in this thread so i bid you farewell.

 

He troubles, but still loses to the lighter, movement-oriented version of Fury.

The 273 pound Wilder 2 version of Fury walks Norton down

 

In Wallin, you've 'seen' the same as everyone else has... ...a fighter who's height, weight and stance has not produced a win against anyone of note, but has resulted in himself being beaten each time he's stepped up in class.

Difficult to rank that kind of record exceptionally high.

Fair play to Fury for getting through a tough fight against him, but he did make a meal of that bout and defending the performance, on the strength of Wallin being some kind of high-end challenger, is pretty funny.

 

I can see the former scenario happening.

It's just my view, but prime Norton was so much better an overall fighter than Wilder...

 

Kenny will probably land and land clean on that slower version of Fury, but I just think Tyson’s chin and size would be too much for Kenny to handle. Wilder landed some bombs of Fury in that fight and Wilder’s chin is also quite sturdy to his credit. I see Fury’s dirty boxing and his crafty ways of leaning in the clinch exhausting Norton, and I don’t think he has much of a way to seriously hurt Fury if Wilder with the shots he landed. Too durable, big and intelligent.

 

The logic is that a big aggressive dude that hits like a truck has a decent chance of smashing the same chin that a 188lb stick man smashed.

Well, yeah, except for that:

1) These scores all indicate a one-sided fight.
2) The footage has been posted. It's clear that Wallin got beaten up, cut aside.
3) We have written testimony from Wallin himself as to the effectiveness of Fury.

WTF more do you want? Jesus Christ to descend from heaven with an embossed certificate?

Clearly I have provided ample evidence that Fury would beat Norton any way he wanted to.

 

Then surely any boxer Norton fought who was much larger than that had a decent chance of smashing his chin. Ngannou is a mixed martial artist and was on his debut. It was a complete emberassment. Fury's been flattened by much lighter punchers, that wasn't the issue. Both have had bad performances

The fight was highly competitive imo and you can easily watch the full thing or read the scorecards and comments of others on this forum

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You've posted Fury beating up 2 people who can't fight up close and throw short punches at close range. The Chisora is the only good example where he's actually exchanging but that's not the range he won the most rounds in. Based on what I've seen would be highly competitive, it's all hypothetical anyway, but I don't see any evidence he'd beat Norton anyway he wanted, especially when both have shown plenty of vulnerabilities. Stylistically Ngannou troubled Fury not just due to strength but because he wasn't reacting to feints, Norton was strong enough in the clinch to not get overwhelmed, a good body puncher and jabber. I see it playing out with Norton being the aggressor, and Fury pushing him back in spots but mostly boxing

 

Norton never fought anybody like Ngannou.

I already posted the scorecards which prove that you are some kind of special

That being your opinion.

That also being your opinion, which we have established is of low value.

No, Ngannou troubled Fury because Fury trained half-assed for the fight just as we all knew he would. Ngannou on the other hand came in better than I've ever seen him before and ready for war.

If that's how Fury wanted to do it, then it's quite possible he'd pick Norton apart at range. Norton's feet are not particularly fast.

 

And Ngannou never fought a boxer like Norton ? Ngannou is not particularly accurate nor a good boxer, he's terrible.

It takes a different kind of special not to know how to read a full a sentence.

It's a fact, Wallin cannot fight on the inside. Shot Breazeale was beating him whenever they were up close

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Ngannou is an mma fighter who is journeyman level as proven against aj. Fury always half asses against easy opposition and still dominates. it was difficult because his feints did nothing and Ngannou had a consistent jab just like Norton would

Norton could cut off the ring, Whyte who has even slower feet than Norton had Fury on the ropes

 

"The fight was highly competitive imo and you can easily watch the full thing or read the scorecards"
The scorecards: 116-112, 117-111, and 118-110

Can you guys do the slightest bit of research before posting such rot?

 

Try to keep up. I know it's particularly hard on your 'bad' days but ... try.

I'm going to recap the conversation to help you stagger along:

[DP] "What is the best of Fury BTW ? One fight against Wilder ? I suppose we ignore all the other poor performances and make excuses for them aswell ?"
[BCS] "That's what Classic usually does, isn't it? Picks the best version for a H2H? Why is everybody all hangdog when it's Tyson Fury benefitting from this strange system? Wow, talk about double standards around here."
[DP] "Because the issue is you're picking a single fight rather than a period of say like 2 or 3 years"
[BCS] "HEY GUYS WHAT ABOUT TOKYO DOUGLAS VS MARCIANO? HEY GUYS HOW WOULD ZAIRE ALI DO AGAINST HOLMES?
... its S.O.P. around here."

Clearly a dimwit like you can't seem to 'get' that there have been many and numerous threads cherrypicking specific examples of fighters. It doesn't matter which examples those are. That is beside the point. It's SOP on Classic to pick an absolute peak version for H2H hypotheticals and now the Norton cheerleaders are all buttsore and dragging their lips about it, because absolute peak Fury is a H2H beast. Absolute peak Fury rampages over Norton any way that he likes.

Now, a crap version of Fury is a different proposition. In real life, if Norton met a fat-farm version he'd have a good probability of causing him problems. If we're talking about THAT version, then its a different argument, isn't it?

But you are having difficulty in understanding the usual terms of engagement around here, or are applying some sort of double standard.

FWIW I would favour peak Fury to beat two out of those three too.

I actually cited the fight in question?

You even quoted my cite in your reply?

Did you take all your pills this morning?

Usyk and Norton are completely different fighters. But I suppose to dimwits everything is measured in statistics and anything "over 9000" beats something that measures less on the bolonium meter.

"Wallin won some rounds so it was close" LMFAO I guess Beterbiev / Browne was close too?

The judges had it almost a whitewash with a single judge giving Fury only twice the number of rounds that Wallin got. Cope harder.

Wow, this is why you shouldn't interact with stupid people, folks ^ I hope this isn't contagious.

 

Do not take my comments out of context. I said the scorecards and comments of others on this forum. The full sentence is right there. The scorecards were already posted previously.

 

He's also 270lb and has atomic fists. Norton's chin is below average so ... yeah.

So I'm supposed to take forum scores that you didn't even reference into account? "Trust me bro" Is this your peak debating skill?

So, let's see:

Breazeale said that Sanchez had him in "the best condition of his life"

9:59: Wallin spins Breazeale around into the corner and pops him in the mouth with a straight left
13:42 Wallin effectively ties Breazeale up
19:55 Breazeale finally manages to get close but Wallin ducks down and uses nifty footwork to escape as he has already done several times
20:42 Breazeale gets close but Wallin ties him up and forces him to his knees
21:15 Wallin repeats the action negating any sort of "infighting"

In the 6th round Breazeale finally manages to throw some punches against Wallin, who slips effectively and picks them off on his gloves and forearms. Maybe the contrast between the utter thrashing Breazeale has been getting up to then and his finally being able to exchange some makes it look like he's having success. He's not. The exchanges are fairly even and in Wallin's favour if you like clean crisp punching.

29:00 Breazeale tries to trap Wallin on the ropes who leans back avoiding the incoming and then lights Breazeale up
32:25-35 This sequence illustrates how most of the fight has been. Wallin right in the pocket, picking off Breazeale's shots on his forearms and gloves, and firing back with crisp hard shots that pound Breazeale straight in the cakehole. Great boxing.
38:20ish Breazeale FINALLY has a sequence where he's clearly had more success on the inside than Wallin. I guess he couldn't lose all night, right? Meanwhile, Dom's face is looking like a Cronenberg movie.
44:40 Nice infighting sequence where both guys land. Wallin can infight.

Breazeale finishes better than he fought all night but it's still a case of Wallin slipping or blocking most of the incoming and firing short accurate shots back. Breazeale looks like he has two plums for a right eye.

My conclusions:

1) It's a fact, you can't judge a fight
2) Wallin can fight effectively up close, but not AS effectively as at range, where he understandably tries to keep the action
3) My estimation of Wallin has gone up a lot. Fury's manhandling of him has become a lot more impressive. Wallin can box.
4) Breazeale's size and weight advantage is about 20lb and is clearly having an effect as the fight wears on. This goes to show that Fury's ~60lb weight advantage over Norton would be huge.

Thanks for playing.

And, of course, he weights 270lb and has atomic fists.

So then Norton gets the paste beaten out of him up close. Fury would ragdoll him like a cruiserweight ... which is almost what Norton was.

 

Wallin looked fresher at the end, and Breazeale was inactive and coming off a knockout loss. He clinched well, tieing up and clinching is smothering on the inside, but they barely exchanged in the pocket. All his best work was at range or him resetting Breazeale. Breazeale is just a bum. Wallin was "manhandled" but was never stunned by Furys power, and his gas tank actually looked better by the end of the fight which is telling.

Like he ragdolled Usyk. Even Wilder lasted several rounds getting ragdolled, gassed and beat up and he has 0 attributes at close range nor can he box on the backfoot like Norton. Norton has never been ragdolled in the clinch. Foreman didn't maul and smother him, he caught him with missiles. Nortons own trainer told him to box and work the left jab which is what he did, he could use the ring pretty well, Foreman just cut it off, and he was much better at that than Fury.

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Fury has never fought anyone who can box, slip, and consistently counter and lead this much in the pocket besides Chisora and Usyk, and Fury won against Chisora by mostly boxing. Fury can fight on the inside just not as good as Norton which is my point

RBR in this forum and across the web. Plenty scored it closer than the judges. CST80 scored it close

Francis is a bum who has beaten no one, 0 good wins unlike Norton, I could care less about his size Norton has beaten super heavyweights before and has a great guard. The 1 similarity is both have gotten knocked out by every puncher they've fought in the sport, but Norton never folded in one shot and is so superior of a technical boxer with that it isn't even worth mentioning them together

 

Markus people are being very dishonest in this thread to be quite frank, there was an uproar on this forum after the Wallin fight people were shocked how much Fury struggled vs Wallin because he was a nobody at the time.

Wallin gave Fury plenty of trouble in the 1st half of the fight and whilst Fury did comeback in the 2nd half Wallin clearly won the 12th round even stunning Fury in the last round.

Forgetting what the judges had it because they're not always right and I find it hilarious the poster in this thread keeps quoting the scorecards is the same person that thinks Golovkin got robbed vs Canelo in both fights. So basically it's ok for him to quote judges scorecards here but he won't do it in a fight he disagrees with the scoring typical hypocrite.

The fact is Fury was very close to being stopped by Wallin on cuts and was very fortunate he wasn't. Alot of fans had Wallin winning between 4 or 5 rounds I had it 116-112 and CST80 had it 115-113. So whilst Fury did win the fight on points and I don't think there's any debate about that, trying to quote the scorecards and make out it was an easy fight when it was one of Fury's toughest fights of his career with him being on the verge of being stopped on cuts is being totally dishonest.