Would Langford Be Badly Beaten BY Modern Heavies?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The great Sam Langford,struggled at times with tall men who possessed good jabs.Fulton ,Smith.
    Would he be embarrassed by modern heavies with accurate fast left hands, or, would he manage to roll his way in ,getting under their leads and punishing them to the body ,before chopping them down?


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  2. McGrain

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    CH: Wlad
    01: Vitali
    02: Povetkin
    03: Adamek
    04: Pulev
    05: Helenius
    06: Boystov
    07: Chagaev
    08: Areola
    09: Fury
    10: Thompson

    I think he'd have mixed results against the current top ten but I also think he'd be in it and relevant - I would lay cash on him beating Adamek, for example.

    But he'd knock out some of them guys.
     
  3. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    He wouldn't get close to the Klits...I do think some of the lazier former cruisers would have their hands full..the better ones could probably get away with a win.
     
  4. he grant

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    He would not fight the modern super heavyweights but at the very least he'd do as well as James Toney ... considering he could have fought at 160, 168, 175 and cruiser, imagine the damage he would do with proper training and against men in his own weight class ?
     
  5. janitor

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    I honestly think that he could beat anybody around today.

    He would pick up the odd loss of course, due to his schedule.
     
  6. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd probably take most of the CW division top 10 over Langford if he was fighting anywhere between 150-180.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    He'd pick up some wins, I'd pick him over Adamek and Huck I think. I'd pick over Prime Audley despite the size difference. I hate to say Fury is probably too much for him.

    Some of those guys like Povetkin who'd fight him in the pocket play to his advantages but they have big size advantages

    Obviously the Klits dominate him
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You need to now a lot more about Langford than the weight he was fighting at, to understand how dangerous he was!

    Somtimes in boxing history you will encounter things where you have to pinch yourself to believe that it is real.

    If you start researching Langford, then it will be such a case!
     
  9. Mendoza

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    I think Langford would beat the majority of the list. On film Sam is too open to jabs, so the long armed and skilled power hitters would give him the most trouble.


    But Langford had a good chin, hit a ton, had skills on offense, a true fighting heart, and the stamina to fight all night. Enough to beat the Povetkin's and Adamek's of boxing.
     
  10. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just don't buy into the Langford being this H2H beast that people think he is. If he lost to many contenders in his day (as well as beat many) and got dominated by the best heavyweight in his day, then why should I believe he would even stand a chance against heavyweights of the modern day, when the game has changed in leaps and bounds for the better?

    You always try to plead your case with me but in my opinion, it just ain't gonna change and you need to accept that :D
     
  11. McGrain

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    Between 1911 and 1915 (a huge swathe to consider) Langofrd lost to:

    Wills - The series was tied over the period under consideration
    Clark - Avenged before and after
    McVey - Avenged multiple times, McVey was dominated in this period
    Jeanette - (4-1-2 over the period under consideration)
    Smith (Disputed, avenged)

    In other words, he proved himself the superior of all of these fighters over a five year period during which he squeezed in an entire career's worth of fights (56, more than Lennox Lewis) mostly in the world class. It is amongst the most astonishing runs in heavyweight history, and looking at the bigger picture, boxing history.

    Langford is clearly the superior of McVey, clearly the superior of Jeanette and for the period under consideration, the equal of Harry Wills.

    If that isn't the definition of a head to head beast, none exist, and certainly for beating Marvis Frazer, Trevor Berbick and Pinklon Thomas before losing to a perceived journeyman doesn't cut it.
     
  12. janitor

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  13. Bummy Davis

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    He would have good results against many but would also lose to a few and not because of size, the Klitschko's and Lennox Lewis were experienced amateurs and had excellent professional but Sam Langford had strength and unique style so he would be effective against many, for me Marciano and Langford were the exception to the rule of little guys fighting big men, they would have there successes because they were freaks.

    I think the biggest problem today is that fighters are fighting well later in age and 50-60 fights is not something that you don,t see and that has always been odd with Heavyweights, Louis hit the 70's and Ali was about there, Dempsey and a few had those high numbered fights but a lot of guys like Frazier fizzled early
     
  14. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sam would still make it in the top 10 and would have success (would at least get a title shot or two)...Just keep him away from the Klitschkos, because they would beat him badly. Langford's tailor made for Wlad to jab him to death and I don't think he even reaches Vitali.
     
  15. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Langford is a monster, but he's small. Against modern sized guys he would struggle, as he did against Fulton and Wills. If this were individual fights I think he'd do quite well; however if he wetter transported to modern times and run through the gamut he'd probably be a top type guy who a .500 against top 10 opposition. If we recreated his career he doesn't get to heavyweight until he's about 28 and maybe a little past it.