Would Lennox Lewis been as dominate if he wasnt allowed to hold

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  1. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There seems to be a lot of Lewis apologists in here. What about this guy or that guy. No Lewis took it to another level. He held and leaned on his opponents. He held their head with his left glove to throw his right hand. Yes Wlad adopted the same tactics, but guess who his trainer was??

    Lets start with this one at the 28 minute mark
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Trouble being Steward wasn't even training Lewis at the time :lol:
     
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  3. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes I know he wasnt but Lewis also wasnt the dominate champion at this time. This was an example of him holding and hitting. Would you like me to post the Mike Grant fight when he was champ and was trained by Steward, or how about the Tua fight? Those fights were what the the main thread asks, when he held and leaned on his opponents with all his weight.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Almost all of them did stuff. Holyfield was terrible with that head and holding in select fights, Ali, Foreman with his pushing, Tyson was hardly clean, Holmes was accused of thumbing on occasions etc etc etc. Dempsey copped heaps, Marciano copped some. There's just not many princesses in heavyweight boxing and certainly no Arguello's.
     
  5. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not just heavyweights though. There's a crazy amount of it in the lower divisions too. Far more so than a few decades ago.
     
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  6. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! Full Member

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    "If you can get away with it, do it" I am pretty sure now I could be wrong that Dundee either said that or something very similar.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised.
     
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    Colonel Sanders Pounchin powar calculateur Full Member

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    Absurdly lacking absurdity. End times have begun.
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ruiz made Wladmir look like Joe Frazier.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Referees just don't have the physical strength and the will to enforce the rules on these heavyweights, more often than not.
    And the bigger and heavier the heavyweights are, the more they can get away with.

    To effectively stop a fighter holding and leaning, to pull them apart, usually takes some degree of physical involvement.
    Huge tall heavy fighters like Lennox and Wlad took advantage of that. They had it down to a fine art.
     
  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    I disagree with everything you just said.
    It doesn't take any degree of physical strength to deduct a point or threaten disqualification.
    Klitschko got deducted point a number of times and deserved a dq at least once for chronic displays of holding.
    Lewis never came close to a dq loss for holding and he was never docked a point either.
     
  12. steve1990

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    You forgot the faking low blows,elbows and headbutts. Which is why the boxing public viewed Ruiz as a joke. Still does to this day I might add.
     
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