Would Lennox Lewis linking up with Tyson Fury be a good decision?

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  1. uppakut

    uppakut Active Member Full Member

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    There's no helping you, I know fury is your idol but I think you should lay off the sniff and get some help with your issues
     
  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "The only wars fury has been in are the wilder fights"

    Someone who says things like this either has zero regard for truth or is totally ignorant.

    Either way, you're a waste of time. Adios.
     
  3. uppakut

    uppakut Active Member Full Member

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    I responded to this already mate, get over it and as I said lay off the sniff, fury is not an ideal role model
     
  4. Freddy Benson.

    Freddy Benson. Active Member Full Member

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    Clear -how? Who accused Lewis of ducking Tyson? At which point are you saying he should have fought him pre-prison and how did he duck facing him? Was a fight being proposed and he avoided it? Even the sparring story is not what you claim. Are you really suggesting their sparring pushed him to stay amateur -evidence of this?

    He fought Al Malcom in his debut. Dan Murphy was his 11th fight. He was fighting for and winning the European championship in his 14th fight and beating Gary Mason in his 15th. Al Malcolm was also Mason's first opponent. Who do you think would have been appropriate first opponent? By the way in his 11th fight Tyson Fury (whom you seem desperate to talk up) was beating John McDermott who he had got a blatant robbery over a few fights before. Do you really want want to compare their first 11 fights?
     
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  5. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis wasn't in his prime prior to Tyson going to jail so why should he have been expected to fight him? Lewis shouldn't be judged on who could beat in 1990/early 1991. We don't judge Fury on who he could beat in 2010
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Who accused Lewis of ducking Tyson?"

    I did. This guy also makes a cogent case:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...-vitali-klitschko.472885/page-2#post-15250316

    "Are you really suggesting their sparring pushed him to stay amateur"

    Why not? Many apply similar logic regarding Lewis and Bowe, with 23 year old Lewis's victory over 21 year old Bowe in the Olympic final apparently being a key reason why Bowe/his team ducked Lewis.

    Lewis was less developed in the late 80's and early 90's than Tyson, hence he stayed in the amateurs until he was 23 and then fought relatively weak opposition for three years after turning pro, until Tyson was safely in prison. Lewis was brought along gradually because he wasn't ready for Tyson, as is the strong consensus in those threads I linked. It was good career management though.

    "Do you really want want to compare their first 11 fights?"

    "Blatant robbery" is biased spin. Fury-McDermott 1 was a highly competitive war like Lewis-Mercer.

    Why not compare? Given that Fury turned pro at 20 (Lewis was 3.5 years older) with 35 amateur bouts (Lewis had about 100, with a gold medal), Fury's level of opposition in his first eleven was better than Lewis's.

    Lewis’s first eight opponents over 9 months had a combined record of 107-103-9 and an average weight of 215 lbs, against 120-72-5 and 232 lbs for Fury.

    Fury had two wars with 3x British title challenger and Povetkin sparring partner McDermott in his first eleven fights, Lewis had eleven knockover jobs.
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. L.Papp

    L.Papp New Member banned Full Member

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    Jesus Christ can link with Tyson Fury , but he was and always will be most overrated HW , maybe just bellow mike tyson.
     
  9. Rumsfeld

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    At this time I think he is clearly the most accomplished heavyweight in the post-Klitscko era.

    All Time? Probably somewhere in the 14-20ish range with guys like Riddick Bowe and Vitali Klitschko; somewhere in that vicinity, with room to rise or fall a bit depending on how the rest of his story plays out.
     
  10. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How does this have any relevance whatsoever in terms of Lewis's legacy? If the early 1991 Lewis wasn't a prime version of Lewis than how is his opposition of any relevance? Are you penalizing Fury for not fighting Vitali Klitschko in 2009/2010?

    McDermott was never close to being world class.
     
  11. Freddy Benson.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2009/sep/14/mcdermott-fury-english-heavyweight-boxing
     
  12. Redbeard7

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    It's a journo's opinion piece. The same journo who wrote articles like this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/mar/26/anthony-joshua-boxing

    The scoring was too wide (a significant source of controversy) but the result itself was fair.

    Eyeonthering has Fury winning 6 of the 10 rounds, 5 by clear margins:

    https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/john-mcdermott-vs-tyson-fury

    Boxrec have Fury winning by a 96-95 margin.

    McDermott easily could have had points deducted in the 10th for turning his back on Fury twice, at one point running away while doing so.

    If anything it's praiseworthy that Fury stepped up to British title level as a 21 year old 7 fight pro novice who'd never been past 4 rounds. He could have fought more knockover jobs and padded his record instead.
     
  13. Mr Stagger Lee

    Mr Stagger Lee Active Member Full Member

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    Clearly a casual sweet caroliner fan, I will leave you to stew in your own lack of knowledge.
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

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    Terrible idea. Fury's ego would not allow for him to take instruction from Lewis. Besides, the two of them had some sort of weird Twitter beef and do not like each other. It's far too late in the game for Fury to really change much in his gameplan and getting an ATG to try to talk some sense into him won't do much.